Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
I'm not sure as I have not seen one of those apart but from others I have done I’m sure the rubber on the end of the spring should be on the left hand end of the piston.
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
Yes indeed, that is what the Manual shows
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
Does the repair kit you have match the items shown in the picture you posted?
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
The repair kit, i.e. replacement rubber Cups do match the Manual. What is then missing, should I reinstal as per the Manual, is the dished washer, the spring seat and the valve washer at the end.
Edit : There is a circular rubber in the kit looking for ahome - this might be the valve washer which I thought was metal
Edit : There is a circular rubber in the kit looking for ahome - this might be the valve washer which I thought was metal
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
If you have parts missing and not in the repair kit it would be best to replace the master cylinder and get a fresh start, at least you won't then have to touch it for a few years. Note that the new cylinders are a little wider at the mounting holes and you will need to file or grind a little bit off the width to fit.
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
I was thinking along those lines too.
Hopefully a new MC does come with the insides in place. I am sure it does.
I was thinking that all the time I have been driving around with this! Having an engine conk out is a nuisance, having Brakes fail is not only frightening, ist "verdammt " dangerous.
Edit : When I think about it now, the set up in the MC may well have been at least a part cause of the binding Brakes. The main Cup which should have been upstream of the spring, as opposed to the end position so to speak, did not have the benefit of this spring to help the System return. It was also mounted the wrong way around. Thus the only back pressure for returning fluid came from the springs Holding the brake shoes and the Brakes themselves were only being pressurised through the secondary Cup.
I wonder if that was the reason why a Brakes servo and remote fluid Reservoir were fitted ?
Hopefully a new MC does come with the insides in place. I am sure it does.
I was thinking that all the time I have been driving around with this! Having an engine conk out is a nuisance, having Brakes fail is not only frightening, ist "verdammt " dangerous.
Edit : When I think about it now, the set up in the MC may well have been at least a part cause of the binding Brakes. The main Cup which should have been upstream of the spring, as opposed to the end position so to speak, did not have the benefit of this spring to help the System return. It was also mounted the wrong way around. Thus the only back pressure for returning fluid came from the springs Holding the brake shoes and the Brakes themselves were only being pressurised through the secondary Cup.
I wonder if that was the reason why a Brakes servo and remote fluid Reservoir were fitted ?
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
Sounds like a real dangerous mess. I would fit a new cylinder and be confident it will be safe.
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
Indeed, it was a mess so I have renewed the innerds as they should be and almost exactly as shown in the manual. ( the concave washer is missing) I do not think there is an immediate need for a new cylinder.
Iniitially though, even with the new set up and having reinstalled it in it he car it would not push the brake fluid through. Definately a new cylinder required I thought.
It then occured to me that the push rod assembly was possibly pushing the Piston beyond the fluid feed Point and thus not allowing fluid to enter the System. After making the adjustments, all was well.
Brakes now bled of air, shoes readjusted , free pedal travel restored.
Now where is the next Problem ?
Iniitially though, even with the new set up and having reinstalled it in it he car it would not push the brake fluid through. Definately a new cylinder required I thought.
It then occured to me that the push rod assembly was possibly pushing the Piston beyond the fluid feed Point and thus not allowing fluid to enter the System. After making the adjustments, all was well.
Brakes now bled of air, shoes readjusted , free pedal travel restored.
Now where is the next Problem ?
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
Well done, glad it's sorted. The next problem I expect is just round the corner waiting to hit you in the pocket
Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
Well done! I would however 'test' the brakes each time just before you NEED them !
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
Definately!
I did an emergency stop from about 60km/hr and managed to lock the front wheels so, am pleased with the effectiveness.
Who Needs discs ??
The next challenge is the TüV - that will be ca €250 for historic vehicle inaugural test.
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Sei froh !! Be grateful.
The bureaucracy on vehicles on the continent is a nightmare but conversely good for unemployment figures as an army of civil servents operate the system. Only registering a firearm is more onerous. After a succesfull TüV which is no forgone conclusion, there is the permission to be a historic vehicle,(about € 20) then the Registration fee of ca, €60 and new number plates €35. After that the yearly tax of €190.
Before someone makes a EU comment - each member state sets its own rules and the furhter east you go the more unpredictable it gets.
The bureaucracy on vehicles on the continent is a nightmare but conversely good for unemployment figures as an army of civil servents operate the system. Only registering a firearm is more onerous. After a succesfull TüV which is no forgone conclusion, there is the permission to be a historic vehicle,(about € 20) then the Registration fee of ca, €60 and new number plates €35. After that the yearly tax of €190.
Before someone makes a EU comment - each member state sets its own rules and the furhter east you go the more unpredictable it gets.
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
I thought I would tidy up my thread and conclude it.
Having completed all the work , I had to take the car to the official testing Station , the TüV who then gave me a list of things to be corrected, so-called "grave deficiencies" (erheblcihe Mängel). I feel sure that most engl MOT testers would not have picked up on some these things
1. Brakes front and rear insufficient (front 260 daN, rear 50 DaN )- LH rear brake not working at all.
2. Handbrake insufficient (140DaN)
3. Wing mirror missing on LH side of vehicle.
4. Front tyres cracked
5. Radial tyres not suited to wheel rims - install inner tubes.
6. Heat shield on LHS rusted
7. PLate beneath wooden Frame on RHS holed and rusted.
8. Differential leaking - environmental hazard
9. Brake pipes require secure Fixing to Body
10. Locking pin on clutch mechanism missing
11. Brake pedal rubber cover missing
12. Vehicle ID number plate not to German Standards
13. Indicators not working at required frequency
The inner tubes ( pos 5) I thought interesting but having checked the web, I found it to be true. If cornering at high Speed, radial tyres have been known to come off. The Brakes took a while to sort out properly. I am still not 100% happy myself. but they do work.
Having completed all the work , I had to take the car to the official testing Station , the TüV who then gave me a list of things to be corrected, so-called "grave deficiencies" (erheblcihe Mängel). I feel sure that most engl MOT testers would not have picked up on some these things
1. Brakes front and rear insufficient (front 260 daN, rear 50 DaN )- LH rear brake not working at all.
2. Handbrake insufficient (140DaN)
3. Wing mirror missing on LH side of vehicle.
4. Front tyres cracked
5. Radial tyres not suited to wheel rims - install inner tubes.
6. Heat shield on LHS rusted
7. PLate beneath wooden Frame on RHS holed and rusted.
8. Differential leaking - environmental hazard
9. Brake pipes require secure Fixing to Body
10. Locking pin on clutch mechanism missing
11. Brake pedal rubber cover missing
12. Vehicle ID number plate not to German Standards
13. Indicators not working at required frequency
The inner tubes ( pos 5) I thought interesting but having checked the web, I found it to be true. If cornering at high Speed, radial tyres have been known to come off. The Brakes took a while to sort out properly. I am still not 100% happy myself. but they do work.
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
interesting point on the inner tubes i would check with the maker of your tyre about fitting inner tubes because i seem to recall there is an argument that goes along the lines of "radial tyres are not designed for inner tubes and therefore the inner walls of the tyres might rub on the inner tube and cause them to wear prematurely"
having said that i ran inner tubes in radails for several years I have also run radials without inner tubes for many more years without problems in either setup..
having said that i ran inner tubes in radails for several years I have also run radials without inner tubes for many more years without problems in either setup..
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I will see how it goes.
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
The fitment of tubeless tyres on Minor wheels is covered in BMC wksp Manual Section O5.
Tubeless tyres can be fitted to wheels that have either rivets or welds joining the rim to the centre but special care needs to be taken as regards the sealing of the rivets and the sealing of the tyre around the rim.
As regards fitting tubes to tubeless tyres - tubeless tyres are not designed to have tubes fitted inside them.
The insides of tubed tyres are smooth and do not have any ribs/beads inside them - the majority of tubeless tyres do have the ribs/beads which can rub against the inner tube and cause the inner tube to fail.
Whilst the Minor wheel does have the inner retaining lips to assist in the retention of the tyre against the rim the tyre will not come adrift from the rim so long as the correct tyre pressure is maintained.
Tubeless tyres can be fitted to wheels that have either rivets or welds joining the rim to the centre but special care needs to be taken as regards the sealing of the rivets and the sealing of the tyre around the rim.
As regards fitting tubes to tubeless tyres - tubeless tyres are not designed to have tubes fitted inside them.
The insides of tubed tyres are smooth and do not have any ribs/beads inside them - the majority of tubeless tyres do have the ribs/beads which can rub against the inner tube and cause the inner tube to fail.
Whilst the Minor wheel does have the inner retaining lips to assist in the retention of the tyre against the rim the tyre will not come adrift from the rim so long as the correct tyre pressure is maintained.
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
Whilst sorting out some photos, it ocuured to me it might be nice to Show the end result. Note the Speedo dial in km/hr which I like a lot.
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Re: Traveller '68 - Left Hand drive conversion
That looks great! Get out and enjoy the drive.