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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby bmcecosse » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:48 pm

PLENTY of unused land up here in Ecosseland...and oil seed rape grows VERY well here with heavy crops. I used to run a plant processing 400 tonnes of it each and every day - all grown in Ecosseland. Just needs people to want the oil to burn in their cars! I don't know where you get the idea there is 'no land'.......Create the demand and it will be grown. It's very much more GREEN than burning mineral oil!
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby Minornut59 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:14 pm

POMMReg wrote:Wouldn't it be easier to simply buy a diesel powered car?

If you're not happy with a Minor's performance, why buy
one in the first place?

A POV I've always held.


I bought my first Minor 26 years ago; i still have it. we now own 8. The performance is not an issue. But i am now doing a 70 mile commute in a 46 year old car and while i am happy to trundle along, i am spending 60 quid a week on fuel, so i did look into buying a diesel car. The cost of that would be expensive insurance of over £200 a year, plus road tax of £140 plus the running costs and higher cost in fuel offset by better MPG. When you look at it, its not a great saving over a year to replace a Minor with a modern bore-fest hatchback, even if you can hear the radio.
So, the point of my original question, Mr Pomm, was to enquire if it was possible to have ones cake and eat it; namely a Morris Minor that i could simple add to my classic policy with my others, that i wouldn't pay road tax to use, that would zoom along and keep up with the moderns but get more than the 39MPG i currently get from 'William' my 67 saloon, or the 48mpg i get from my 1959 4 door saloon, or the 34 mpg i get from my 1275cc Austin 1300, that DOES keep up with modern traffic, but is unreliable compared to a Minor. A modern diesel engine would therefore be a possibilty.
Hope thats clarified that!
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby MarkyB » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:43 pm

39MPG isn't very good but it depends on the nature your commute.
An LPG conversion could be a good plan, and a bunch of new effective sound proofing.

What pressure do you have in the tyres?

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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby rayofleamington » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:58 am

I was getting 25mpg in my 65 Minor for daily commuting (endless stop start traffic jams)
That was 23 years ago long before the days of the M6toll road - the same commute would now be twice as fast!
Although I hate toll roads -good roads do help the environment!
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where to break down next?
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby bmcecosse » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:36 pm

The 48 mpg is unbelievable - FAR more than the original Minor road test figures - so what modifications have you made to achieve that? Or is the odometer simply wildly over-reading! You would indeed soon get your money back on an LPG conversion - that's the way forward as long as you see the 70 mile commute (is that each way - or the return journey?) continuing for the next few years.
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby rayofleamington » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:31 pm

The 48 mpg is unbelievable
to you, but not everyone.
I was getting mid 40's from my 1962 (948) on longer runs so don't see how or why it's unbelievable - if I'd changed the diff I'd have expected something like that.

I did manage 48mpg in my 71 pick up (1098 and 3.7:1 diff) on the LEO a few years ago but that was slow driving (50 to 55mph) and it was running so lean that it started to missfire. Mileage between fuel stops was an average of 3 other cars just before you say it was wrong. After adjusting mixture & at my normal speeds it gave low 40's.
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby bmcecosse » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:30 pm

Which is why I ask what modifications have been done. The original road test figures are well know - and nowhere near 48 mpg. I can just about squeeze 40 from my Trav if driving extremely carefully - which gets boring after 5 minutes........ :lol:
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby MarkyB » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:03 pm

You do tend to carry a lot of cast iron spares to ward off problems though.
5 minutes doesn't really constitute an economy drive either.
I'd say mid 40s is very possible from a Minor, I doubt journalists from the day were any more light footed than you are.

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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby bmcecosse » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:27 pm

Hahahahah - I just carry a coil (of course) and a head gasket....and a fuel pump....and a dizzy.... My patience runs out after 5 minutes - the car wants to GO!! It has a lovely 'sweet spot' that comes in at 50 and it then flies up to 70* seemingly effortlessly.
*Better not say any more on a public forum........ :wink:
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby twincamman » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:34 pm

Just in case anyone's interested, I've spotted this for sale.
http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/ ... g-somerset
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby dp » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:30 pm

Going back to the original question

You may find this thread interesting - and it's links to other places.

Mogmad57 I think mated the Peugeot 1.9 XUD TD FWD to a ?? RWD box.

Someone else suggested fitting a Ford FWD TD to a Ford type 9 box
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby Matt » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:53 am

I must admit... I have thought about fitting the 1.8 TDi engine from an escort/mondeo/sierra. 90HP out the box, and with a simple tweak to the injection pump more like 105 hp.

(But I like Fords... I'm taking my 1996 SWB Transit with the original 2.5Di engine drag racing in a fortnight :lol: 70HP originally, now about 120hp (but with added turbo - no intercooler yet) and that goes suprisingly well!
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby estwdjhn » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:53 pm

DP - the link itself has escaped...

I'm gradually putting the bits together to fit a Pug 1.9D into my minor.

The green van that's featured on several forums uses a Pug 504 (I think) pickup gearbox (this was one of the few RWD applications for the 1.9D). 504 gearboxes aren't very strong, or easy to find, so probably isn't suitable if you fit the TD engine and turn the wick up a bit...

I'm looking at going a different route with the gearbox, and fitting the 1.9D and gearbox from an LDV Pilot van (this appears to be about the only other common RWD box that goes straight on the 1.9D. This gearbox is a R380, as found in Landrovers (and a development of the LT77 found in loads of 70s/80s BL cars). They are virtually indestructible, although a bit bulky.

My main concern is getting the whole lot to fit past the steering rack - the rest of the fitting should be fairly straightforward.
I expect I'll end up taking chunks out of the bell-housing to clear.

I've got to sort out the sills etc on the car before getting too carried away (that and actually purchase an engine and box - if anyone has one for sale, let me know!). I did start doing some work recently, but proper work has been really busy and I've not had any spare time to go car fabricating...
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby Matt » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:19 am

you could try asking on the LDV forum?

http://www.ldv-sherpa.co.uk/
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Re: Turbo Diesel Minor!!

Postby Minornut59 » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:20 am

Thanks for all the replies.
NO mods on my 1959 saloon; standard 948cc 4 door saloon running an H1 carb as standard. 48 on a long trip, 42-3 ish around town. driving with a light foot and typically 55-60mph.
My 67 saloon is used harder as its daily hack so driving at 65-70 on main A roads.
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