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The onset of poorer weather has highlighted the leaking windscreen on my Morris 1000 .
(a) How difficult is it to replace the somewhat perished rubber seal ? ( front )
(b) Any ideas how I can effectively seal around the rubber ? And what product is recommended /suggested ?
Any advice / thoughts would be appreciated .
I have had this problem for some time. I bought the screen rubber from a Moggie specialist and had it fitted with the old screen by a winscreen specialist. It still leaks - and no suprise. The rubber appears to be a hard, waxy,inflexible compound and has not formed a seal against the metalwork at the top. In places the gap is 3-4mm.
Removing the screen is easy peasy. Repacing is very hard and cannot be done with one person.
Older and more confused than I could ever imagine possible.
I'll get the hang of this quote thing soon !!
Quotes refer to my reply !! Arfron
The windscreen has to be removed to fit a new rubber, but you probably gathered that! It is not an easy job, but often better to diy as, has been mentioned, 'professionals' get leaks through sloppy fitting and rushing. The secret seems to be getting the filler strip to stretch the rubber into the corners. It can be done on your own, with patience--- a lot of it!
I seem to remember that there was an earlier discussion and that Peetee has the steel insert in the rubber?
I fitted a new rubber to my wife's Traveller and it lasted only a few years before I had to replace it due to cracking and subsequent leaks. I have again replaced it and it is fine, no leaks and without needing to apply sealing compound. Now this rubber has the chrome finish plastic insert and I found it relatively easy to fit. You do need a hammer (rubber or plasic, heavy but soft) to fit screens to ensure that the glass and rubber seat together other wise ther can be gaps as it is not truly central in the aperture.
If the rubber is sound and there is a leak then apply windscreen mastic sealer. I find that my Triumph will not seal, even with new rubber and mastic is always required (It is part of the works installation procedure according to the official workshop manual) but I have never used it on the Minor.
We've just had Fifi's front and rear seals done. Waheyy! No water coming in at last! John at Bristol Classic Cars did it (fine chap - and a Morris Minor specialist too) and even he had to call in help from a Mister Window dude for the back one (I knew I was right to go nowhere near this job). So we've got Fifi's new headling and new carpets in now. The heater's now working... the luxury... the sheer unadulterated luxury . A dry, warm moggy - oh and a mate gave me a klaxon for my birthday. Now fitted and honkingly splendid THAT is too!
Back to the thread - I know it can cost a bit more than a tickle in a dark cupboard but I'd get this job done by someone you can take it back to if it goes wobbly... definite voodoo involved in Morris window rubbers.
Thanks for the advice ,everyone -- much appreciated. I guess some voodoo does come into winscreen fitting .
We ought to start a Klaxon club-Guy . I fitted one to LuLu a couple of years ago- it certainly sounds the part !! Keep honking !!
One question about the screen , Alec you mentioned a filler strip , by that do you mean that there is a thin rubber insert ,which fits into the screen rubber and expands the rubber surround ( the chrome then covers it ) , as in my 1956 Prefect : or, do you mean that the chrome surround 'is ' the filler strip ??
yes, I was talking about the insert, which tightens the rubber and helps it seal. It seems that our car is the later version which is a chrome finish plastic strip roughly triangular in section.
Thanks for that Alec. You have to use a special tool on the Ford to fit the V shaped rubber insert , it's a diamond shaped , strong metal device with handle which slides inside the rubber seal and installs the filler strip ; then you have to put the chrome on top of the filler strip and the screen surround ' which in turn , expands the rubber outer into the corners --- with luck !!
I assume that it is the same process ? I seem to think/ understand that the Morris only has the chrome or plastic outer filler strip and not the extra internal rubber V as well ?
yes, that's it on our car, but maybe the earlier models had a different arrangement. As I said, I remember a discussion about metal filler strips.
I have tried various 'special' tools but now usually use an old screwdriver which I've smoothed off all the sharp edges.
This question has been discussed often, the earlier (one piece
windscreen) filler trims are made of stainless steel and must be
fitted to the rubber BEFORE the screen is re-installed. The later
type of trim is a 'plastic chrome' which can be fitted after the screen
has been re-fitted. I watched the expert fit mine(insurance job) on
a 1957 with 'stainless' trim and he assembled everything, glass,
rubber, and trim, together with copious amounts of sealant which
he then fitted to the car single handedly.
I bet he never needs help to get the lids off jars!!!!
I am sure that this topic has had an airing previously , but I was unable to find it .
It is interesting to note though ,that my stainless/chrome filler is in two pieces with a joining piece at top and bottom. so , is this fitted prior to the w/screen being replaced ??
Yes, yours must be a 948cc Morris 1000 ('56-'62).
I'm not sure when the plastic chrome filler strip type was introduced but all the 948cc cars had the stainless strips with top/bottom joining pieces.
Les, bit of a generalised commment regarding the standard of professional screen fitting. Granted some specialised screen fitters have problems, and are on unknown ground regarding anything aproaching a classic car. Generalisations however do no favours to the good companies whether windo, or minor speciasists.
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