Fitting new door cards

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Fitting new door cards

Postby moggiethouable » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:27 pm

Evening all.
I am going to fit a pair of duo tone door cards to my 2 door.
Any hints tips Dos or don'ts ?
Thanks.
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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby SteveClem » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:48 pm

I’d seal the backs with diluted PVA , to resist damp. Unless the car is kept inside and warm.

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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby mogbob » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:17 pm

Take the opportunity to inspect the door " internals " clean up as necessary and re-grease / oil as required.

Make sure the drain holes are clear.Replace any missing door clips or ones that are too far gone with rust to salvage. After lining up the clips on the new cards , pinch a bit of Vaseline between finger and thumb and wipe on the "v" part of each clip. It will help ease the clips in , to settle the card in it's final position. If you do it "dry " there is sometimes a tendency for the clips to grab / distort the card.Put new polythene sheet over the access holes and gaffa tape them in position.
School boy error.... don't forget to put the window winder and door opening springs on their respective shafts before putting the new door card on.
I , of course , have never done this.... ahem , well maybe once.Silly boy!
Also put a bucket or old washing up bowl beneath the handles when putting the retaining pins in. It will hopefully drop straight in the bucket and save hours of searching.
Hope it goes smoothly.
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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby moggiethouable » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:14 pm

Many thanks fellas.
Wish me luck.
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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby geoberni » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:01 pm

As I'm in the process of of trying to sort out Basil's horrible brass screw fixings of the door cards, I thought I'd tag onto the end of this recent topic.
mogbob wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:17 pm

School boy error.... don't forget to put the window winder and door opening springs on their respective shafts before putting the new door card on.
I , of course , have never done this.... ahem , well maybe once.Silly boy!
Springs? What springs?
I've seen no mention of springs on the internal door handle or window winder. Basil certainly doesn't have them, and they're not illustrated on the CW parts drawings. I thought the handles were simply simply held tight by the screw...?



Next matter, Although Basil's doors are in good condition on the insides, there are NO Drain Holes in the doors, presumably from where the doors have been repaired in the past :roll:
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Can someone point me at a drawing or somewhere to illustrate where I should make some?

Also, what is the correct wind seal or draft excluder for the door bottoms on a SII?
Are these right?
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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby myoldjalopy » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:53 pm

My car has a spring washer under the screw that holds the winder and door handle - but I'm not sure that is what Bob means, as he talks about fitting them before putting the door card on - I'm sure he will be along to elaborate.
Re drain holes, just drill three or four holes along the lowest point under the door - don't forget to paint or otherwise rust-proof where you have drilled. I can't tell from your pic but your seals look like some sort of foam - might just be the pic but they should be rubber.

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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby philthehill » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:22 pm

As standard there are three elongated holes in the bottom of the door. The elongations are from the outer edge of the door towards the inside of the door. The elongations are approx. 1" long by 3/8" wide. They are evenly spaced along the bottom of the door.


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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby Propshaft » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:39 am

Speaking from experience be very careful when drilling the holes for the drain in the bottom of the door it's very easy to go straight through into the outer door skin especially towards the rear section of the door

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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby geoberni » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:29 pm

myoldjalopy wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:53 pm
My car has a spring washer under the screw that holds the winder and door handle - but I'm not sure that is what Bob means, as he talks about fitting them before putting the door card on - I'm sure he will be along to elaborate.
Re drain holes, just drill three or four holes along the lowest point under the door - don't forget to paint or otherwise rust-proof where you have drilled. I can't tell from your pic but your seals look like some sort of foam - might just be the pic but they should be rubber.
Yes, I'm well confused by the idea of having 'Springs' on before the door card, even more than just the idea of there being a spring. I'm not sure if he's referring to Springs or Spring Washers.

The useless seals I have are a short hair brush, like the sort of thing you sometimes see in a Fire Door Frame as a smoke seal. Totally pointless.
I've always been confused by the door seals as I've seen some mention of both an upper and lower seal, although places like ESM & CW just seem to offer a U shape item (EXC110), which is presumable what I need.
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:22 pm
As standard there are three elongated holes in the bottom of the door. The elongations are from the outer edge of the door towards the inside of the door. The elongations are approx. 1" long by 3/8" wide. They are evenly spaced along the bottom of the door.
Thanks phil - so if they're equally spaced, approximately how far from the front and rear are the first and last, so to speak?


A thanks to propshaft for the word of caution too. Always useful to have the benefit of others experience. :wink:
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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby philthehill » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:46 pm

On my 1958 Minor 2 door the door drain holes are 2 1/2" from the front and rear inner faces of the door. and the central hole is 17 1/2" from the front inner face of the door.


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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby geoberni » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:52 pm

Thanks Phil
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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby myoldjalopy » Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:35 pm

"I've always been confused by the door seals as I've seen some mention of both an upper and lower seal, although places like ESM & CW just seem to offer a U shape item (EXC110), which is presumable what I need."
Yes, EXC110 is what you need to replace your 'brush' type strips. There should also be a metal strip which sits inside the rubber and allows the clips to retain everything.
There is also a lower seal fixed to the underside of the door (EXC130) but many leave this off as it is a known rust trap.

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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby geoberni » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:15 pm

myoldjalopy wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:35 pm
Yes, EXC110 is what you need to replace your 'brush' type strips. There should also be a metal strip which sits inside the rubber and allows the clips to retain everything.
There is also a lower seal fixed to the underside of the door (EXC130) but many leave this off as it is a known rust trap.
Thanks
I think the meal part of the brush seal I have will substitute for the metal strip.
Basil's doors don't have the channel for the EXC130.
I've now actually found this old topic from 2015, which shows the lower channel, so now I know the difference.
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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby myoldjalopy » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:26 pm

If 'Basil' hasn't got the channel for the lower seal I wouldn't worry about it. As I said, many when repairing these door bottoms omit the lower channel and seal altogether as it encourages rust in that area. I didn't have them replaced when my doors were repaired for that very reason - and I don't notice it as any more draughty. I have, of course, the other, upper rubber seal in place.

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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby padflav1 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:59 pm

Hope this is the appropriate place to ask this question (my first ever post) at the tail of a very helpful thread - what’s the best method for making the hole in brand new door cards?
Having splashed out on a new set, I don’t want to mess things up when pushing the door handle and window winder shafts through the vinyl ‘foam’. Should I make a hole with, say, a screwdriver or maybe melt a sealed hole with a soldering iron? Any advice gratefully received.
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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby geoberni » Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:09 pm

padflav1 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:59 pm
Hope this is the appropriate place to ask this question (my first ever post) at the tail of a very helpful thread - what’s the best method for making the hole in brand new door cards?
Actually Patrick, .... you've posted on 3 earlier occasions, which is why you show 4 posts since joining in July 2008.
Fri Aug 01, 2008
Sat Aug 02, 2008
Sat May 30, 2009

What's surprising me is that after 11+ years, you could remember your username/password... perhaps you're still on the same device with the details in memory?
:lol: :lol:

I would suggest that after a few tries at holding the card in place to check the fasteners line up with the door holes and that the 2 drives shafts align with the holes in the hardboard, then you simply get a sharp blade and simply 'star' a small incision in the centre of each drive hole. Make the star just big enough for the shaft to pass thorough.

(Edited to correct a typo)
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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby padflav1 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:41 pm

Many thanks and best wishes, Geoberni...and I'm amused to be reminded, yes back in the day I had actually posted in this Message Board. It was erased completely from the memory....
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Re: Fitting new door cards

Postby johngrigg » Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:54 am

Also I find it easier to cut from the centre out. Put the knife point exactly in the centre and push gently. Don't go too far although the handle flange will cover a multitude of errors. Now my new carpet does not fit properly around the dip switch and needs trimming.anybody got a pet way of doing this? Cheers JohnG


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