Hi 'yeldar'yeldarbwehttam wrote:Unfortunately we weren't told where the young owners were camping and endured the noise until 3am only to find that some of them were back up making a racket at 6.30am!
I did actually hear a lady politely ask them to keep the noise down at 2am and she was just laughed at. There was clearly no attempt made by young owners to keep their voices down either. Bad language doesn't bother me personally but it wasn't fair to subject everyone to it.
Next year I suggest the organizers clearly designate a special area for young owners so they can party all night long without disturbing those that want a good night's sleep (or at least as good a nights sleep as you can get camping). This should be away from the main camping area. For example, if the young owners camped the other side of the marquee then they would have been away from the main camping area and probably not kept us all awake.
I'm really surprised to see your message, as I was part of the marshalling team parking up campers on Friday and Saturday, and as far as I am aware we quite intentionally parked as many of the younger members as we could identify together at the end of the camping area, and gradually 'phased down' away from that area according to how we thought it would present least problems (for example, I put the first of the Scottish contingent to arrive down toward the end, as I know they're young, or young-at-heart, and would be likely to partake of the odd pint
). I arrived on site Thursday lunch, in fact I think I was among the last of the setup team to arrive, and we were delighted to see the large amount of space we had available for all the various areas we needed to mark out. I quite see your idea that there is some segregation among campers, but you have to see that we were very spoilt this year with space and its much more likely at other venues to find that we wouldn't have anywhere close to enough room to do that. Camping is, as has been said before on this thread, not conducive to noise insulation and its inevitable that there will be some sound leakage, which is why we attempted to put us wrinklies at one end and the youngsters at the other with a graduation in between.
That said, individual camping spots didn't (and never have, to my recollection) guarantee quiet anyway, because there's more than a few of us oldies who 'let their hair down' at Nationals and, while we definitely try to minimise noise late at night, we do recognise that others will hear us. We apologise for that but at the same time we expect a degree of tolerance because, after all, we're all meant to be enjoying ourselves. Let's be fair, the noise coming from the event tent was far in excess of anything elsewhere on the site - even though it was separated by distance - and that didn't finish til gone 11.30 (I remember booing when they turned it off!).
I'm very disappointed that you heard someone asking for less noise and getting a poor response, and I can only assure you that that would have been the exception rather than the rule. As for the bit about starting again early, that may well have been us - we have a large list of jobs that need doing each morning before we start marshalling the cars onto the field and I'm sure it wasn't only me wandering around directing vehicles on Sunday morning feeling very sorry for myself! In essence, what I'm saying is that this is a two-way street - the young members have a duty to be respectful of those who retire early, but there is also a requirement among the more mature members to be tolerant of people with entirely different lifestyles to them and to accept that 'kids will be kids'.
WHAT WAS THAT SOMEONE ENJOYING THEM SELVES AT A NATIONAL 