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New MOT exemption

Postby greendefender123 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:48 pm

I haven't read it fully but looks like most of us will be exempt from MOTs soon. Not good news really!
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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby Monty-4 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:05 pm

My understanding from reading the summary is that the exemption is being expanded to vehicles over 40 years old (so pre-77 as of this year). However, if vehicles have been "substantially modified" (the power to weight ratio has changed more than 15%) then this exemption may no longer apply. The process for certifying if this condition is true or not isn't clear to me, but it appears to be a self-certification process where one would consult "a mechanic or historic vehicle expert". It will be an interesting to see if those who have swapped to 1275cc engines will fall into this category, it might be a borderline case?

My personal opinion is that any vehicle on public roads should require an MOT, and I will certainly continue to get my vehicles checked thoroughly!
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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby firedrake1942 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:08 pm

Really interesting read (!) Ok I am sad. and Well spotted Green Defender!m It is of note that only 6% of cars exempt submit voluntarily to MOT testing. I do and think it worth the fee to have a comprehensive annual check on the car and its structural integrity / safety.

I couldn't see any thing which might alter the cherished transfer position though.This is good as many sellers of near wrecks could get more for the number plate than for the car if it changed, taking away a little but of the car's history.

It does not, as at present, alter the legal requirement to keep our cars in road worthy condition.

It is interesting that the Club has yet to communicate this possibility to members. Have you let the politburo in Derby know?

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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby Monty-4 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:13 pm

It's not yet the law as far as I know, just the published results of a consultation. Unless it can be enacted by statutory instrument?
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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby firedrake1942 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:49 pm

Most of these changes are SI's. Didii the club replete the consultation or leave into the Federation of Historic Vehicles clubs or similar body ?

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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby les » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:11 pm

There used to be a check list that went with the mot certificate, listing all the checks. So I'll be happy to save 50 quid x 2 and work my way through it. If it happens that is.


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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby philthehill » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:24 pm

Having read the documents the 'Substantial Changes' will to me be the defining wording but as yet not defined but will be in time.


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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby philthehill » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:34 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-41265294

I wonder if 'Substantial Changes' have occurred to the vehicle in the above link..


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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby firedrake1942 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:46 pm

Never mind, at least it doesn't need an MOT and is Tax Exempt at £200,000 on Fleabay!

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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby geoberni » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:44 am

This could be interesting...
As I read it, the 'Vehicles of Historical Interest (VHI): “Substantial Change” Draft Guidance' https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... idance.pdf final section of 'Draft Advice' could pull in vehicles which are currently exempt into requiring a mandatory MOT.
What do I need to do if I am responsible for a vehicle first registered before 1960?
If it has been altered substantially, an MOT certificate will be required for its use on public roads from 20th May 2018, even if the vehicle has previously not required an MOT.
Criterion 1
If a vehicle has a power to weight ratio of more than 15% in excess of its original design, unless such a modification took place before 1988
Does anyone have a Reddy Reckoner for Power to Weight ratio numbers when fitting a newer engine to a Moggie?
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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby Nickol » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:46 am

This new legistlation/ consultation now ended by the British Government is in Response to the europen directive no 2014/45 although the Report says that the government were considering it anyway.

Unlike in GB ( NI is an exemption) the issuance of certificates of worthyness in Germany is done by two very large powerful companies, the TüV and DEKRA. These bodies probably have great influence and again probably resist the directive as all vehicles her, regardless of Age have rigorous testing and also have to pay road tax. As I have three classic cars ( all British!) I have, as a result of this thread, been trying to find out what Position the Bundesregierung is taking. I have found nothing on the Internet so will ask the ADAC.

In comparison GB is a paradise for classic cars - when will the new legistlation become law? Perhaps i will try to Register my cars in Dover - it will save me a fortune.
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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby geoberni » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:09 am

Nickol - this comes into effect in UK on 20 May 2018.
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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby geoberni » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:13 am

firedrake1942 wrote:
It is interesting that the Club has yet to communicate this possibility to members. Have you let the politburo in Derby know?
Well it was only published yesterday!
If you scroll to the bottom of any webage on the GOV website, it tells you the update history.
14 September 2017
Outcome for the 'Roadworthiness testing for vehicles of historic interest' consultation released.
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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby Shropshiremoggie » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:14 am

Even if my 1970 Moggie becomes exempt I will,still have her checked by a competent MOT garage . As I get older , and with no ramp or pit , it becomes increasingly difficult to see areas that could cause problems and safety issues .

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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby Nickol » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:01 am

geoberni wrote:Nickol - this comes into effect in UK on 20 May 2018.
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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby sid » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:16 am

does that mean my Morris with the 3.5 V8 will need an MoT now? :(

only joking :lol: i shall take my old bang..,er i mean Classic Car,for a 'vehicle inspection' at a reputable garage when it's ready for the road. likewise my motorbike combo when i finally get the chair attached.

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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby firedrake1942 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:22 pm

I appreciate that the MMOC may not have had time to inform members as yet of the decision, but I do nit recall it informing members of the consultation or additionally any position the MMOC may be taking / considering as an interested party.

It is there to represent us in promoting the car and the proposed changes are germane to the membership.

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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby SteveClem » Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:04 pm

In my opinion all cars should be tested annually,but classics should be tested sympathetically :wink:

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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby palacebear » Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:13 am

In a manner of speaking, the test for classics is more 'sympathetic'. When I had Max tested earlier this year, the test took 25 minutes, followed by a lot of waiting around because 'The Computer' dictates that testing (based on modern cars) must take no less than 45 minutes. :roll:
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Re: New MOT exemption

Postby les » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:57 am

Probably more involved on modern vehicles, rather than sympathetic with old ones. I read sympathetic as letting things go, and you don't get that with many mot testers.



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