Morris Minor Owners Club

Just wondering if anyone would be able to confirm something. Before the DVLA started issuing age related plates like ESJ... And ...UXE they used unused 'A' reg and 'B' reg plates as replacement plates. My 1963 2 door saloon has the registration 'KGH 680A', the plates are the 70s/80s white and yellow style that have obviously been replaced. I've seen another '63 car with KGH.... as well as a Morris mini (not sure of the age). Can anybody confirm if these plates are replacement 'A' regs or are they genuine 1963 issued plates. I know many '63 cars weren't given the new style and still used older types throughout 1963.

Also if I ordered a heritage certificate would it inform me of the original registration, regardless if I put down KGH 680A and it turned out not to be the original.

Thanks in advance.

Definitely a replacement plate for registration transfers in late 70's, and 80's, or maybe where a lack of of sufficient info to allocate the original plate to the car on DVLA computer, etc. Probably the KGH number was issued by a London motor tax office as a replacement as they tended to be from local motor tax offices rather than DVLA.
DVLA may be able to give you the original number if asked. I found out the original issued number for my car from paperwork DVLA sent me after I paid £5 for the names of previous owners of the car.

A heritage certificate wont give you the reg, mine states in the noted reg as quoted by owner. It did help me though to get its original reg back again as it tied in build and supply date

FBA21?

SMM SYN surely?

Confusing stuff....

busguy wrote:Definitely a replacement plate for registration transfers in late 70's, and 80's, or maybe where a lack of of sufficient info to allocate the original plate to the car on DVLA computer, etc. Probably the KGH number was issued by a London motor tax office as a replacement as they tended to be from local motor tax offices rather than DVLA.
DVLA may be able to give you the original number if asked. I found out the original issued number for my car from paperwork DVLA sent me after I paid £5 for the names of previous owners of the car.

Ah ok, I've been looking at the V888 form. I assume that's what you used to obtain the information. On the form they ask how the information is going to be used. If I say it's just to find out more of its history along with finding the original registration and mention possible attempts to look into obtaining that registration in the future, will this 'pass' as a sufficient request or is it too vague?

OHP 900 wrote: Ah ok, I've been looking at the V888 form. I assume that's what you used to obtain the information. On the form they ask how the information is going to be used. If I say it's just to find out more of its history along with finding the original registration and mention possible attempts to look into obtaining that registration in the future, will this 'pass' as a sufficient request or is it too vague?

I've filled in a V888 for all three of my cars and stated I wanted to build more of a historical picture of my possessions. No need to state your future use regarding changing reg numbers - that is a different bunch of forms entirely.
I found that my Traveller had is original reg sold off in 1985 - this won't help me get it back as it is currently on a private retention and up for sale at the £3K mark

David. It looks like BMIHT have dropped a clanger with your certificate. As POMMreg says your 1950 car should have an SMM prefix, F series numbers did not start until mid 1952. Check your chassis plate and bulkhead numbers then complain to BMIHT.
The sent me a certificate with my car described as a Series II. I complained and they sent me a corrected certificate with the correct key number as well

Chassis number and everything else you need to know there Chris. Posted for all to see!

Sending off the form tomorrow, coincidentally another 'KGH' car has come up on eBay. Its date of manufacture is 1962 so that definitely rules it out as being genuine. Shame about the prices, surely historic value should override this whole "cherished" plate nonsense!

Forms arrived today, with interesting results. It's original registration was 936 STX. It then lost this plate in a transfer that occurred in 1989 when the original reg went on a 1982 Porshe 911, this car hasn't been taxed since 2000.

One strange fact however is that a photocopy of what I think is the original logbook shows the engine number being changed to 8 A-U-H 2960. Why the eight when the engine is of 1098 size and spec? The engine now has the sliver seal engine number of: RKM1104E 2198.

Should be 10MA-U-H (?)

In the 2000s VERY early 1963(?)

First registered 18th March 1963. The engine is 1098 all over apart from the 948 back plate (possible early feature?)

Still can't think as to why there's an 8 in the old engine number...

I believe 848 engines began with an 8.. But also recon units - although in that case the 8 would not be followed by that letter combo. The engine number now is a recon number.

Here is a link to a 1098cc recon engine with a similar engine number and the prefix is 8.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gold-Seal-A-S ... 1939937965

My old 1965 convertible (now under new management) was taken back to the factory when it had done only about 6000 miles 'cos it had a terrible vibration. It was fitted with a replacement 1098 engine under warranty and that was an 8AUH prefix engine - not long after I bought it, someone queried this in the same sort of circumstances as this enquiry has arisen and I was told it was indicative of a "factory re-manufactured engine" - ie one that had come back into the factory for whatever reason and had been completely checked over and rebuilt as necessary to original tolerances (compared with a "Gold Star engine" which was re-conditioned within slightly less strict tolerances).
This info was obtained from BL in the days when it still had a highly co-operative PR office!
Interestingly, I have recently re-conned the engine after it had a couple of bores scored following a head-gasket failure and after c 112000 miles it still did not need any work on the bottom end, either crank or bearings. The moral being, change your oil and filter regularly!