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Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:08 am
by jagnut66
Whatever side one voted for, I don’t get the above sentence, It’s been voted on. End of story, it’s just a matter of time. Unless, of course, you dump democracy. Would anyone actually do that ? Is that even possible?
Just look at what's going on in London / in Parliament, it's full of Remainers determined to dictate to the rest of the country, whether we like it or not.
I don't think they would give a jot as to what it would say about our 'democracy', as long as they get their way.
This should have been done and dusted by now, they are actually dividing the country more and more by continually dragging this out.
Mind you, I think they are quite happy to do that as well.
I think it's disgraceful.
Best wishes,
Mike.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:40 am
by Banned User
That’s one of the problems with referendums. You elect a body of people to make decisions for you, then you have a vote which takes one of the decisions out of their hands, but you still want them to make the decisions around that. Ergo, referendums are a bad idea.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:52 am
by palacebear
POMMReg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:06 pm
Anyone else notice chemists having "problems" with medicine suppliers?
My latest prescription was of a cheaper brand.
My prescription runs to eight different items. Five are tablets for which I get a 56-day supply of each. Three are eye drops. They have a short shelf-life and I only get a 28-day supply of each.
One of the tablets was substituted, without warning, by a cheaper brand about three years ago. Performs just as well as the original but has some, occasionally unwelcome, side effects.
One of the three types of eye drops is often out of stock at the pharmacy counter and frequently 'out if stock at supplier', a situation which has been pretty constant for the past two years or so.
Incidentally, I've been following this thread since it started. I don't by any means disapprove of its political over-tones. I simply lack the confidence in my abilities to contribute to it coherently and dispassionately.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:27 am
by jagnut66
Ergo, referendums are a bad idea.
I don't think referendums are necessarily a bad idea.
However they are based of the principle of proportional representation, a truly fair and democratic system.
Our electorial system is not, it is based on the 'first past the post' system, an archaic and out of touch system, that should have no place in a modern democracy.
Hence why you can end up with a minority dictating to the majority.
As for a second referendum, why?? Because the side our Parliament wanted to win, lost!?!
How can that or any result from it be seriously considered binding??
And what if the country ends up voting to leave again??………………..
Also the EU will never offer us a deal they seriously think we'll take so long as they think the Remainers in London / Westmister can frustrate Brexit long enough to stop it happening.
This is why Boris should stand his ground and refuse to ask for an extension.
And why I will vote for Brexit again and again and again if necessary.
And why, so long as he sticks to his guns, I will be voting for him in the next election, whenever the gutless opposition parties decide to chance allowing the general population of this country to have one.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:10 pm
by simmitc
5th May 2011 there was another referendum to decide whether to change form "first pqast the post" to an alternative voting system. The country decided that we should stick with what we have. Strangely, none of those in Westminster had any objection to implementing that result.
Pedant alert
The plural of referendum is referenda,, but I don't want any more for a very long time.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:34 pm
by Banned User
simmitc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:10 pmPedant alert
The plural of referendum is referenda,, but I don't want any more for a very long time.
I’ll be sure to tell the Oxford English Dictionary people that they’re wrong...
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:48 pm
by SteveClem
I think most people are just fed up with the whole malarkey and want to get on with their lives.
The people voted leave, rightly or wrongly,and it could be years before we know. Parliament seems to be intent on remaining.
I suspect that when the next election comes there could be some real surprises.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:08 pm
by les
Well I can think of one previous PM that I’m pretty sure wouldn’t have tolerated this, despite what the vegetables might have said !
Like them or not, agree with them or not, strong leaders get results, of course, having a majority helps!
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:45 pm
by dp
One interesting thing that's come out of this is the old 'we have an unwritten constitution' chestnut.
If it's not written it doesn't exist just like my unwritten homework or referring to an unwritten dictionary. This puts power with the small number of people who get to interpret this invisible tome without interference from the plebs who think there's a real constitution. Like the medicine man interpreting the chicken bones.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:11 am
by twincamman
dp wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:45 pm
One interesting thing that's come out of this is the old 'we have an unwritten constitution' chestnut.
If it's not written it doesn't exist just like my unwritten homework or referring to an unwritten dictionary. This puts power with the small number of people who get to interpret this invisible tome without interference from the plebs who think there's a real constitution. Like the medicine man interpreting the chicken bones.
You've just hit the nail on the head. This country needs a WRITTEN constitution, for everyone's sake.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:08 pm
by Myrtles Man
twincamman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:11 am
dp wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:45 pm
You've just hit the nail on the head. This country needs a WRITTEN constitution, for everyone's sake.
Doesn't seem to be much point if, as now seems increasingly likely, we're to remain in the EU anyway.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:43 pm
by Banned User
As a remainer I really do hope that we leave. Then I can continue to point and laugh at the leavers who will have to find something else to blame for their sad lives
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:48 pm
by Myrtles Man
Attaboy!
Boo! Hiss!
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:55 pm
by les
PoolGuy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:43 pm
As a remainer I really do hope that we leave. Then I can continue to point and laugh at the leavers who will have to find something else to blame for their sad lives
——— I put my sad life down to seeing democracy being opposed. Whatever side had won, I would get on with it.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:02 pm
by SteveClem
I really hope this doesn’t lead to social unrest,riots etc. The country is split down the middle on this and whichever way it pans out there are going to be millions of very cross people.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:24 pm
by ianmack
We can only hope not, I think it will mainly depend on the degree of disruption to trade and supplies. The choice seems to be between controlled borders, a backstop or remaining in the customs union. All of these have their objectors but I really don’t see another alternative.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:47 pm
by jagnut66
As a remainer I really do hope that we leave. Then I can continue to point and laugh at the leavers who will have to find something else to blame for their sad lives
As an unrepentant Brexiteer I hope we leave also.
I firmly believe this country is better off out and for those who love the EU so much, please go and live there with our blessings, it will solve the UK housing shortage straight away, without the need to plough up any more of our precious greenbelt.
As to sad little lives, if the day dawns that we are finally free of the shackles of the EU, I for one will be all smiles and cheer!
Best wishes,
Mike.
Re: Bojo the Cloan
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:20 pm
by simmitc
I posted previously that this cannot re-run the debate, and it will not be allowed to descend into insults. It has run its course and is now locked.
Let's have tolerance and enjoy our cars and the friendship that they engender. Thanks