Pickup restoration part three

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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby mogbob » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:24 pm

David
Noted. My wife has just shouted " cup of tea " time ! No need to send the heavy rain along to us thank you ! Bob

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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby davidmiles » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:35 pm

A cup of tea is an essential part of working on old cars Bob, sounds like Mrs Mogbob understands that not so much as a rule, more of a guideline. Hope the weather in Esher is dryer than it is down here in Sussex, I'm glad to find a minute or two between downpours to get a bit done here and there. I've some of that Frosts Pipe and brake seal on the way, and some new brake shoes on order, then I can really get stuck in, weather permitting.
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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby millerman » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:53 pm

re brakes. In the long term spend the money on front discs especiall if doing low miles, nearly maintenance free, MOT pass every time :D

NB my experience, comment NOT designed for a disc v drum discussion, that's been done and dusted!

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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby davidmiles » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:51 am

thanks for that thought Millerman, I haven't considered a conversion over to discs, wouldn't effect it's Historic tax class status would it? I've decided that trying to make the ten day MOT dead line is out, I'm going to take my time and re-submit Alice in May, just to make the annual MOT in warmer fairer weather, working on her in February is like having made a rod for my own back.
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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby millerman » Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:58 am

David, no problem with historic tax status and front discs :D

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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby Dryad » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:57 am

Swapping to disc brakes might affect your insurance. For mine I had to sign something saying that the vehicle was not modified in any way.


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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby davidmiles » Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:00 pm

the conversion kit wouold set me back £400, I'd like the task of conversion, but I've other things to spend the 400 on, I'm going to re build the brakes and re seal the lines and joins to try and improve the whole setup. I'm not pressurising myself to get this done within the MOT limit, I'll re submit for a new MOT in May, I won't have to sorn or let my insurance know will I? and can I drive her to the MOT station next May?

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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby davidmiles » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:00 pm

starting on the rear offside brakes, taking the pipes off giving them a clean up and re-seating all the joins using sealant on the threads.
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the rubber boot looks perished, so a new one was found in the spares box
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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby davidmiles » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:08 pm

using brake parts washer to clean down, two new copper washers fitted either side of the banjo, and it's ready for air bleeding.
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different story on the nearside rear. The drum came off to expose a oil soaked, drum, shoes and a loose gasket, but there is worse to come.
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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby davidmiles » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:13 pm

there is no actual oil seal fitted, what! and the screws were on the inside, what are you doing Mr MOT man!
the oil seal has been replaced by sealant, no wonder this hub leaks so much.
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picking out the sealant has taken ages.
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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby davidmiles » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:37 am

a smear of red sealant where I expect the oil seal to lay, but as you can see, the seal only goes in partway leaving a gap, I've tapped away gently at first, then as hard as I could without smashing it, the seal is home, at least as far as it will go.
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have I got it back to front? I have it with the spring end facing the differential away from the wheel, sure that's right. But there's 10mm clearance for the bearing, way too little, it's only meant to protrude up to 1 mm.
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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby les » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:57 am

What seal have you used? It looks to be the same diameter as the bearing. The seal goes into the smaller recess, not the same recess as the bearing, doing that will stop the bearing going in. I'm concluding all this by interpreting the pictures. Excuse me if I'm wrong! :D


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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby davidmiles » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:16 pm

thanks for the reply Les, I'm beginning to wonder if I have earlier hubs, I wonder if my pickup was made up from old stock they wanted to use up, she was built in 1968 but I wonder if she has MM and Series 2 hubs? is that possible, even so looking at ESM part they show a smaller oil seal that looks like it might fit, so I've ordered two to investigate, could be my ongoing problem was caused by this all along.
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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby philthehill » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:41 pm

David
Looking at your photos you appear to have left the old seal/casing inside the hub and that is what is not allowing you to fit the hub bearing as it should be.
Remove the remains of the old hub seal (the metal ring that you have carefully removed the neoprene from), fit new seal making sure that the seal is the right way round and then fit the bearing.
With a neoprene covered seal there is no need to put any sealant on the outside of the seal.
If the seal is metal cased then I would advise putting a smear of sealant on the outside face of the seal before fitting.
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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby les » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:42 pm

Again from the pictures 2nd one, the steel part of the oil seal is still in situ. That should be hooked out and another complete seal pressed in. The seal you have just put in should be removed, leaving the correct depth for the bearing to go fully home. I think you have the right hubs, although I don't know the difference.


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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby les » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:44 pm

You obviously type quicker than me Phil ! :D


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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby philthehill » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:55 pm

Do not know about that Les :D

David
Looking again at your photos the original hub seal appears to have been fitted the wrong way round and that is why it has leaked.
The lip of the seal should be towards the bearing.
You also appear to have fitted the new seal the wrong way round.


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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby les » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:06 pm

I would have said that what's left of the original seal was the right way round, Open end to bearing?


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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby davidmiles » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:48 pm

yes, I just sussed it too, the remains of the old bearing are stopping the seal going fully home, I'll pick that out.
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Re: Pickup restoration part three

Postby davidmiles » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:05 pm

the remains of the old oil seal are taking a beating to get them out, if I can only crimp them down so I can get a purchase on them from behind I could break it out.
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