1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Let us all know what you are up to with your current restoration project. Get that Minor on the road!
Davidh
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:26 pm
MMOC Member: No

1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby Davidh » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:46 pm

Good afternoon,
Im new here so, my apologies if this is a bit of a perennial question but, how bad is too bad?
Im an accidental owner of a 1964 Saloon. Ive never restored a car before but, my working like is spent doing a mix of joinery and metalwork so, I have a decent bit of space and equipment to tackle something - Id always thought it'd be a Series I Landrover but, there you go eh! It was given to me a while ago and I think I'd quite like to restore it but, it would appear to be in a bit of a state. It is intact in as far as I have everything from it in boxes and three new wings (quite why three?) so thats a good start but there are some nasty looking areas of rust wheel arches, sills, engine bay and along both gutters on the roof. I have attached a few photographs - it'd be great to see what people think!
Attachments
_MG_2644.JPG
_MG_2644.JPG (50.04 KiB) Viewed 2407 times
_MG_2637.JPG
_MG_2637.JPG (43.8 KiB) Viewed 2407 times
_MG_2635.jpg
_MG_2635.jpg (30.48 KiB) Viewed 2407 times

Davidh
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:26 pm
MMOC Member: No

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby Davidh » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:48 pm

And a few more pictures... Hopefully that'll give a general impression of the worst parts!
Attachments
_MG_2645.JPG
_MG_2645.JPG (45.54 KiB) Viewed 2405 times
_MG_2641.JPG
_MG_2641.JPG (41.75 KiB) Viewed 2405 times
_MG_2642.JPG
_MG_2642.JPG (48.29 KiB) Viewed 2405 times

les
Minor Maniac
Posts: 7800
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:00 am
MMOC Member: Yes

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby les » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:59 pm

Some would say, anything can be restored, this may well be true but in reality a completely rusted car, is the surest way to sap enthusiasm, especially for a first restoration. That roof would make me think twice. :D


Davidh
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:26 pm
MMOC Member: No

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby Davidh » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:06 pm

Les,
Thanks for the reply. Yes, its the roof that worries me most I think. I feel relatively confident in dealing with the other areas having seem the replacement panels available but, that rust in the gutters extends over approximately half the length of either side.

davidmiles
Minor Legend
Posts: 2718
Joined: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:54 pm
MMOC Member: No

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby davidmiles » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:12 pm

but this is not a completely rusted car is it, it has corners of repairable rust, and plenty of surface rust. If you want a restoration project, why not save this one. You can obtain every repair patch you need, and if you want to save money, you can learn to make your own. if you have time and store space, if you're not in a hurry to make this your main transport, get stuck in, and don't let anyone tell you you're not qualified, or that you're not experienced enough to tackle it. If you want it, go for it.
smile, you never know, you might be winning.[IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/2ro3j37.jpg[/IMG]

les
Minor Maniac
Posts: 7800
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:00 am
MMOC Member: Yes

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby les » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:19 pm

That area is a concern as its not easy to keep the original roof curve straight along the length when letting metal in. Once the panel has been cut it tends to release a few stresses, making it tricky area to avoid ripples, unfortunately in a place that catches the eye!


Davidh
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:26 pm
MMOC Member: No

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby Davidh » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:28 pm

David,
Thank you. I would like to save it - seems a shame to give up on it if there is a glimmer of hope! A friend had it and was going to scrap it - a bottle of whisky later and... well, here we are! Luckily I wouldn't need it as my daily runner.

Les,
I take your point - it is bang on eye line and would stand out terribly if done carelessly. Patience and proper prior planning would be the approach i suppose - neither yourself or David have suggested its not "do-able" just blinking tricky. I have just come across Fairmile Restorations on the internet - they seem to have a very extensive range of roof repair sections.

les
Minor Maniac
Posts: 7800
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:00 am
MMOC Member: Yes

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby les » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:43 am

No, don't want to discourage you, just mentioning some challenges! I just wondered if, as a first project, it might put you of for life! I had to face some bad times with mine and would think twice about doing it again but if you go for it, great and I'd wish you well. :D


67-2door
Minor Fan
Posts: 323
Joined: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:14 am
MMOC Member: Yes

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby 67-2door » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:35 pm

In reality is doesn't look much worse than the one I bought, and mine came with almost a years mot!
I had to repair my guttering & roof edge & although I'm a (very) amateur welder it came out just fine.
Take your time & repair it.


Davidh
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:26 pm
MMOC Member: No

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby Davidh » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:19 pm

Thank you all for taking the time to reply!
It sounds as though it isn't the basket case that I feared but that I must adopt a zen like state of inner calm and patience!

67-2 Door, a quick question if I may - guttering seems easy enough to obtain but, for the roof edge, did you fabricate your own or buy panel sections in?

It rather looks as though I am to be undertaking my first car restoration! Blimey

Redmoggy
Minor Fan
Posts: 339
Joined: Mon May 28, 2007 10:32 am
MMOC Member: No

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby Redmoggy » Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:25 am

If you can't already then start with a welding course. You need to be proficient in plug welding as well as being able to seam weld butt joints etc. Whilst MIG is essentially point and squirt it still requires some skill.

You will also need to brace up that body so it keeps it's shape. It's a good idea to ensure your doors fit and line up before bracing.

As has been said the majority of the car is pretty straight forward with just the roof being an issue to tackle. If it was me I would find a good second hand roof. You can then unstitch yours and replace it like any other panel. Not a straight forward job for a beginner but may be simpler than trying to form repairs and let them in.

Rod

kennatt
Minor Legend
Posts: 2499
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:11 pm
MMOC Member: No

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby kennatt » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:51 am

the question is how bad is the underside,it will certainly need both full sill sections ,x member maybe, chassis leg/legs, .then you have all the mech bits , suspension, etc,you need to, give it a systematic check and list all work and parts .whilst most parts are reasonably priced. it soon mounts up,a reasonable re spray costs 2 thou these days,I did one similar a few years back,and soon passed the 1.5 thou mark, fortunately I was a coachbuilder by trade so the paint job cost was only the paint. It would give you a great deal of satisfaction to finish,so depends on your pocket. After a front to back under and over check you may think it's a go,but if not then at least you have a good supply of bits if you were to decide to get a better rebuilder. Remember there are still thousands out there,they are not exactly rare. good luck

kevin s
Minor Addict
Posts: 628
Joined: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:20 pm
MMOC Member: No

Re: 1964 Saloon... How bad is too bad?

Postby kevin s » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:25 pm

Take look at some of the restoration threads, mine was pretty similar, I managed to make or repair most of the panels as well.


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests