Braking cylinder any set to buy?

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby oliver90owner » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:20 am

Entirely your choice. I was only relating my past experience with brake linings and disc pads.

Had you mentioned consideration had already been given to this aspect, I would not have felt it necessary to make my posting.

Only trying to help/set the records straight - many don’t have a clue of the ramifications of fitting non-original parts to vehicles.

Another question might be whether the drums are in good condition (within specification) - like whether they might have been skimmed to a greater diameter by the previous owner.

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby Myrtles Man » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:36 am

Thank you for taking the trouble to post your thoughts/suggestions based on your own experience - despite the impression I may have inadvertently given in my response, I do appreciate your input and I was certainly unaware that there may have been a change in the composition of braking materials as a direct consequence of the generalised introduction of servos as you suggest.

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby philthehill » Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:13 am

Two points
1. I had Riley 1.5 brakes fitted to my Minor at one time and never had any problems as regards stopping or requiring a heavier pedal. My Minor was not fitted with a servo.

2. When you are asking about re-lining do you ask about both processes i.e. riveting & bonding?


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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby Myrtles Man » Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:23 am

Yes Phil, it was as a direct result of your very positive comments about Riley 1.5 brakes and, indeed, your link to a set for sale on eBay that persuaded me to go down that route. As far as asking about the pros and cons of rivetting or bonding is concerned I'm afraid my enquiries didn't get that far as the firms I approached didn't bother to respond (I merely asked if they were able to re-line brake shoes with Mintex linings).

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby jaekl » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:28 pm

What are the specifics of the wheel and master cylinders?

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby ManyMinors » Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:21 pm

It really shouldn't be necessary to fit a servo to the brakes on a Morris Minor. I have fitted the brakes from a Wolseley 1500 to two of my Minors over the years and found that they made a big improvement so I'm surprised if you haven't. Maybe, as you say, you have poor performing linings. Have you tried "Past parts" in Bury St Edmunds or "Powertrack" in Slough? Both of these companies have help me with brake parts in the past. I have also sometimes seen new/old stock brake shoes on ebay and similar which can be a good buy.

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby philthehill » Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:40 pm

ManyMinors
Thanks for the recommendations for Past Parts and Powertrack.
The pastparts web sites seem to be down for whatever reason.
https://www.pastparts.co.uk/

https://www.powertrackbrakes.co.uk/


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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby ManyMinors » Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:17 pm

Oh well. Maybe they are overseen by the same organisation as this forum :-? (No disrespect at all to Mike and Simon). As far as I know the company still exists. I must admit that I often find it is better to simply telephone a business. Many small businesses (especially in the classic car world) aren't very up to date with technology and you get a better/faster response that way sometimes. There must be somebody who can reline brake shoes to a decent standard mustn't there?

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby Myrtles Man » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:24 pm

Thanks for your suggestions ManyMinors; I've emailed Powertrack as a first step to see if they offer a re-lining service. Depending on their response, I'll then check out Past Parts.

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby Shropshiremoggie » Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:07 pm

Try Saftek in Telford for relinIng , they specialise in vintage cars etc.

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby Myrtles Man » Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:10 am

Thanks for the tip - I'll contact them now.

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby jaekl » Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:57 pm

Are the backing plates on the correct sides such that both shoes are leading? How are the brakes in reverse?

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby Myrtles Man » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:01 pm

Now there's a possibility I hadn't considered! Here's a photo of one of them before fitting (and before clean-up, re-painting and fitting the new shoes, I might add) - I suppose it's possible that I could have fitted them on the wrong sides of the car thus ending up with trailing shoes rather than leading shoes. I'll certainly whip a wheel off and have a look. It's certainly food for thought. Thank you.
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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby philthehill » Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:41 pm

The brake back plate assy shown in the above photo should be fitted to the N/S - when the wheel is rotating and the brake applied the rotation of the brake drum assists in applying pressure to the shoe/linings.
If the back plate assy shown in the above photo was fitted to the O/S - when the wheel is rotating and the brake applied the rotation of the brake drum assists is reducing pressure to the shoe/linings.
It is important that the brake are fitted to the correct side of the vehicle.


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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby Myrtles Man » Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:54 pm

Well, I've had a drum off to check and they're on the correct sides; I was pretty sure I'd borne that in mind when fitting them but jaekl's suggestion certainly prompted me to make absolutely certain. So, we seem to be back to the quality of the shoes and my quest to source some Mintex ones. Although Powertrack did confirm that they offer a re-lining service, when I asked if they supply Mintex they appeared to lose interest and haven't replied. Anyone know of a re-lining outfit that definitely do offer Mintex?

PS - It seems that I owe Powertrack an apology as they've now replied, saying that there are poor quality, Chinese made shoes on the market at present (probably including the ones I've fitted!) but they offer Ferodo bonded linings which, they say are made in Britain and of the correct grade. Any experience of these? As good as Mintex? One problem will be the cost - £105!

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby philthehill » Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:54 pm

Ferodo brakes especially those made in Britain are good. :D
Unfortunately good costs money :cry:


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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby ManyMinors » Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:32 pm

I suppose any good quality "one off" is going to be moderately expensive.

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Re: Braking cylinder any set to buy?

Postby Myrtles Man » Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:33 pm

Yes, of course you're right Phil - bullet-biting time I think.


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