Improved heater
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Improved heater
I was told today that in the old days of Charlie Ware and Owen Burton that fitting a Triumph Dolomite or Toledo heater was a common upgrade. Has anyone tried this or has experience with improving the moggies heating capability?
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Re: Improved heater
The heat output of my Traveller's heater was non existent when I drove it home after buying it on a cold February day.
So I decided to flush out the heater core and you would not believe the amount of brown crud that came out of it.
It is a very easy job to do if you have a garden hose pipe available, just keep connecting it to either heater hose and running water through in either direction till it runs clean.
Now the heater is producing nice warm air within less than a mile on the road, and more often than not we have to turn it off because it gets too warm.
So I would try a bit of TLC before you go looking for a new heater, having the correct thermostat will also be a contributing factor.
Phil
So I decided to flush out the heater core and you would not believe the amount of brown crud that came out of it.
It is a very easy job to do if you have a garden hose pipe available, just keep connecting it to either heater hose and running water through in either direction till it runs clean.
Now the heater is producing nice warm air within less than a mile on the road, and more often than not we have to turn it off because it gets too warm.
So I would try a bit of TLC before you go looking for a new heater, having the correct thermostat will also be a contributing factor.
Phil
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Re: Improved heater
I think it would be easier to install a heater from later models of Mini. The ones I refer to are the same basic design as the later Minor ('62 on). The main metal shell is almost identical.
Why would that be better you ask?
They have two squirrel-cage fans the same size as the Minor's one.
They have a higher capacity hot water matrix with larger inlet and outlet for thicker hoses from the engine.
The Mini ones have a different control panel from the Minor's but you might feel you could live with that. Alternatively, I have had a good look at both and I am confident that with some fiddling, the Minor's front panel and controls can be transferred to the Mini heater's body.
Don
Why would that be better you ask?
They have two squirrel-cage fans the same size as the Minor's one.
They have a higher capacity hot water matrix with larger inlet and outlet for thicker hoses from the engine.
The Mini ones have a different control panel from the Minor's but you might feel you could live with that. Alternatively, I have had a good look at both and I am confident that with some fiddling, the Minor's front panel and controls can be transferred to the Mini heater's body.
Don
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Re: Improved heater
The OP doesn't say which model of Minor he owns but the later "fresh air" heater fitted from late 1963 is a good unit WHEN it is working properly. As pdp001 suggests - get it working properly first. I have the same experience as him, that the heater, once cleaned out and a few simple checks carried out, is perfectly adequate. The later Mini heater - if you can find one - is a good upgrade too.
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Re: Improved heater
Hi,
I agree with the above and will be sticking with my barrel heater, however I can see the appeal of an adapted (what is now referred to) 'Classic' Mini one.
Are the links below what you are referring to? Prices seem to vary quite a bit.......
Best wishes,
Mike.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini ... mXtd5ovF[u][/u]
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini ... Sw5yJdB8DC
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini ... SwXHRdxFuj
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-MINI ... SwKzVdqcf5
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/classic-mini ... Sw4ylcdGlx
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini ... SwrzxdB7jV
I agree with the above and will be sticking with my barrel heater, however I can see the appeal of an adapted (what is now referred to) 'Classic' Mini one.
Are the links below what you are referring to? Prices seem to vary quite a bit.......
Best wishes,
Mike.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini ... mXtd5ovF[u][/u]
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini ... Sw5yJdB8DC
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini ... SwXHRdxFuj
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-MINI ... SwKzVdqcf5
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/classic-mini ... Sw4ylcdGlx
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini ... SwrzxdB7jV
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Re: Improved heater
They look like the ones yes. They are a decent heater when in good nick. Whether those are in good nick is anyone's guess! After all, they'll be from cars built in the 1970s? 1980s? so might be in no better condition than our old Morris Minor ones. I suppose the prices are a reflection of the fact that most Minis are restored now and not so many being dismantled for spares perhaps?
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Re: Improved heater
I also have a Mini heater and am very pleased with it. I also fitted a speed controller.
Regards
Declan
Regards
Declan
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Declan
Re: Improved heater
An idea I found in the latest Practical Classics magazine, from a Staff Car Saga author who was having demisting issues on a Peerless GT; fit a 12V Marine bilge fan/blower in the air intake trunking to the heater, to give it a boost in demisting pressure - they blow approx 130-145 cfm, and would be fairly simple to wire in, maybe even using the existing blower switch.
It would appear a 3" version would fit the Minor's air intake trunking, such as this one (the only compact one I could find in black):
https://tinyurl.com/rodb39v
It would appear a 3" version would fit the Minor's air intake trunking, such as this one (the only compact one I could find in black):
https://tinyurl.com/rodb39v
Maurice, E. Kent
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Re: Improved heater
this is exactly what I keep meaning to install, partially because my current fan squeals like no tomorrow when cold (I need to grease the bearings) and that it doesn't push enough air. I'm always slightly worried about wiring required as my knowledge of car electrics is very low!Chipper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:17 am An idea I found in the latest Practical Classics magazine, from a Staff Car Saga author who was having demisting issues on a Peerless GT; fit a 12V Marine bilge fan/blower in the air intake trunking to the heater, to give it a boost in demisting pressure - they blow approx 130-145 cfm, and would be fairly simple to wire in, maybe even using the existing blower switch.
It would appear a 3" version would fit the Minor's air intake trunking, such as this one (the only compact one I could find in black):
https://tinyurl.com/rodb39v
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Re: Improved heater
Basil's 'genuine after-market' period heater is very good. As I have a temp gauge fitted, if I put the heater on I can see a noticeable drop of at least a needle width when it's going.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=70734&hilit=heater#p643284
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=70734&hilit=heater#p643284
Basil the 1955 series II
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Re: Improved heater
I put a 76 cfm computer speed controlled fan in the Smiths round heater that I installed in the MG TD earlier in the year. It only draws 0.45Amps and kind to the weak old dynamo. The original fan motor was drawing close to 5Amps and would barely blow out a candle. The heater is now quite efficient. I reversed the flow so that cold air is drawn in from the front, through the fan and then deflected radially via a plastic funnel bolted to the back of the heater. It works a treat and you can hardly hear it (30dBA)
Regards
Declan
Regards
Declan
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Regards
Declan