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paintwork dull

Postby docgibbons » Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:08 pm

i gave my old boy a T cut recently, but far from making the paintwork gleam, it remained as dull as before, and also in parts proved impossible to buff off. ie leaving that grey stuff behind, which i couldn't polish away. i then tried a black colour wax gloss, with much the same results. i'm wondering whether the paintwork is so old (probably the original 1958 black) that it's become scratched, and won't buff up. maybe one of those industrial type electric polishers might work, or maybe the only remedy now is a respray. if anyone has any thoughts on what might restore the brightness of the colour, i'd be grateful to hear them.

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby dalebrignall » Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:52 pm

try the g3 products they are very good they do a paint renovator
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Re: paintwork dull

Postby Chipper » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:05 pm

Sounds like you need to use cutting compound on a rotary mop (polisher), followed up by wax polish. You could also try a clay bar beforehand, which lifts any ingrained dirt out of the paint.
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Re: paintwork dull

Postby RichG » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:21 am

hi , i had very much the same problem with my grey moggy , i have used all sorts on her , but i have bought an auto smart , duel head polisher , and there G3 cutting paste , give her a good going over with that bringing up the shine , and tried auto glym resin polish , but after a few weeks the shine faded again , paint was flat under a hazy shine , so i hit the polisher again , but now iv used the Meguiars 3 stage cleaning set . they also do a clay bar to , the last of the 3 stages is a carnuaba wax , wich has worked so far for me . good luck . and keep us posted , Be careful if use use a polisher , as u dont know how thick the paint is . better a dull black finish than primer !![frame]Image[/frame]


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Re: paintwork dull

Postby docgibbons » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:49 pm

thanks for the tips looking forward to giving it a go. just to be sure on this one, is the recommendation to use a cutting paste followed by G3 renovator, or are they one and the same thing? i have seen an ad for "FARECLA advance liquid clay cutting compound" for example, so should i try that as a one-off treatment? or give it something else first?

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby tysonn » Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:11 pm

Farecla G3 is cutting compound.G10 is even finer.

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby docgibbons » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:26 pm

i tried the meguiars stage one (thought i'd ordered all three, but made a boo-boo) and it didn't really do much.
after applying, as per instructions, tried to buff up, again as per instructions, and it remained much the same as the T cut. wouldn't shine at all, or not much anyway.
i then spotted a bottle of Car-Pride scratch remover at one of those cheapo shops, and thought at £2.99 i wouldn't lose much by giving it a go, and it worked much better than the pricier meguiars. not perfect, but not bad. i still haven't applied a clay bar - would this be worth a go?

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby bmcecosse » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:11 pm

The scratch remover is usually just a Pound - in the Pound Shops....you were ripped off..! I would try another go with that - but no harm in the 'clay bar' I suppose....
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Re: paintwork dull

Postby docgibbons » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:04 pm

actually, just checked the price tag again and it wasn't £2.99 but £1.99.
still ripped off i guess, but i can get over it for 99p.
i'll perhaps try the clay now, and see what that does, but its not looking too bad now.

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby daveyl » Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:29 am

I just thought I'd add to this thread. I purchased the 'Farecla G3' cutting agent and I would say it's absolutely top notch. My vauxhall is now red, rather than the pink drab it's been for the last 6 years.
I have tried other products but found that they had little effect.

I will also try the carnauba wax when I get round to it.

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby MarkyB » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:55 pm

With many of these products you need to do a bit at a time, about 2 square feet maybe a square metre if you are quick before you start taking it off.
Don't do it in direct sunlight either, some stuff dries so hard you can't get it off.

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby kennatt » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:34 am

Clay bars are for removing grime and tarnish,don't think they will have a great effect on scratches. Polishers,are what they say,they are for polishing good paintwork,if its that bad ,you need to get a compounder/cutting machine.The polishers will hardly touch scratches.
It depends on your paintwork. If its original,or had a PROPER respray then it can be cut back.The pro way is to use 1200 grit wet and dry,with penty of soap,followed by G3,which is actualy designed to remove 1200 grit scratches,applied with a compounder or by hand,followed by a mild cutting agent like T cut.
If its had a blow over respray leave well alone and put up with it,You will very quickly cut through the top coat,even with T Cut, and into the primer.
Its also possible that it has been compounded already,so be careful if you go down the G3 route,they will only take a limited ammount of cutting back,if still celly paint.
2 K paints,being much harder,will take a lot more abuse.
Take a boot badge off and do a test area with G3 if it cuts through to primer .................well I've allready said leave it alone.

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby alexmcguffie » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:38 pm

I'll second kennatts advice, spot on. Clay is only really used for removing 'road film' and exhaust soot and needs to be used with very soapy water to lubricate it.

I've used 3M products in the past but they need to be applied with a compounder ideally. If you do use a compounder be sure to mask everything off like window rubbers, chrome and lights etc.

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby cheshiremorris » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:10 pm

When we got ours it had had a respray ten years ago but was very dull I used buffing machine and cutting compound and lots of traditional wax MER Autoglym etc I came across a yellow Carnauba wax on ebay for £21.99 called Harly wax and couldnt believe the difference the guys sold 2200 of these Ive never seen a transformation like it and over the years Ive tried every polish going nothing comes close. And no Im not on commission to say this !

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby cheshiremorris » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:23 pm

And the other thing is its non abrasive and has no nasty chemicals you wipe it on and wipe it off in an hour and it doesnt dry into a white powder that sticks into every crack. one coat looked good 4 coats looks utterly stunning and your not continually cutting back the layers like you are with an abrasive wax particularly important when your concerned about going down to the primer. Id never go back to Meguiars or Autoglym again my experience with these are in 3 months your waxing again Ive even used it for the steering wheel crashpad and banjo steering wheel

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby bmcecosse » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:56 pm

How much did you say the commission is ?? :lol:
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Re: paintwork dull

Postby tysonn » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:44 pm

Or for the very discerning(or absolutely mad):

http://www.pageandcooper.com/perfection-valet-wax/

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby MarkyB » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:26 am

Good grief, most of the cost must be for the packaging, no mention of what magic ingredients the wax is made of :)

"Each Perfection Valet Wax is supplied in a custom designed black presentation box with Perfection Shield embossed in silver. The box is secured with a magnetic fastener. The contents of the box include two custom made thick pile micro fibre cloths with silk boarder, these have been made to Perfection's own specification. An Applicator pad 200ml of Perfection Wax Insight sheet with full product information. Every box is provided with hand signed and numbered Certificate."

"Hand made in the United Kingdom."

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby cheshiremorris » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:53 pm

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Re: paintwork dull

Postby tysonn » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:19 pm

They reckon that polish should do 10-12 applications!Was looking for a wax to do my Routemaster but thought better of it LOL!


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