Moggie engine head scratcher
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Moggie engine head scratcher
Hi all I've a 67 1000 mog engine starting to get on my t*** when the engine went in first it started no problems at all and ran well after her winter lie up I went to start it again and it's running strange .. it will start and run fine and idles OK but as soon as I touch the accelerator she goes to rev up but I've puffs of white smoke out of the carb .. I've strobe timed the engine on idle and she is bang on 5° btdc . The points and condenser are new .. and there is a good spark at the leads . The carb is adjusted 2 full turns down of the nut .. from experience it's pointing me no the timing or the condenser .. any input as usual would be greatly appreciated . Thanks guys
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
Yep it moves up easily and goes back down with a clunk . I've tried running it with the top off the dashpot and without and it made no difference as well
Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
have you put fresh petrol in.
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
Yep I also tried running it off the float bowl with no joy either
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How old are the plug leads?
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
I've tried with 2 sets but one set .. the one I'm using are the original hard leads with the brass tops on them .. I didn't think it would be the leads if it runs perfect on tickover
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I'd say it was having trouble getting enough fuel. Maybe fuel pump issue or dodgy rubber pipe.
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
I thought it would run with the top off the float bowl .. I'll go out and have a gander again tomorrow the line from the tank is new and the pump is strong but I might have missed something .. I am after noticing though . I did the valve / tappet clearances and I set em all at what I thought was 15thou .. but on looking today when I came in .. modern feeler gauges are in mm not inch .. so that would work out at .30 .. would this give me the same symptoms
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It won't help but you say it ran ok before the lay up. So unless you made a valve clearance adjustment recently, it's probably not the primary cause. Set to 12 thou though.
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
I think you may have a sticking - or rather relatively slow closing - inlet valve. Likely the one that was left open all winter.
Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
puff of smoke out of the carb, If that's what you mean then looks like its backfiring,could well be the valve settings,if you hadn't said you were sure timing was ok would have suggested the timing. Does if rev up fully or cut out,oil in dash pot ok
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
Whilst the Manual says 0.012" valve clearance the 'A' Series does run better with 0.015" valve clearance.
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
Oil in dashpot and valves set to 15 thou today turned over the engine today with the rocker cover off and all valves seen to be bouncing up and down OK .. it's puffing white smoke out the carb and juddering to a stop of you rev it up .. there was one flame did pop out the carb but the rest is white poofs I did notice I tried choking the engine with a rag while I was revving it up and it did seem to rev better and not conk out .. does that mean anything or am I being daft
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
And as I said it idles perfectly .. although a little fast but still running fine on 4 cylinders
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
Once it has thoroughly warmed up, have you adjusted the mixture for the best idle speed? Sounds like it could be running weak?
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
Compression?
Possibly an inlet valve not sealing?
Possibly an inlet valve not sealing?
Brian
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
3rd for running lean! Is it standard carb? Are the symptoms different when engine is cold and warm?
Ask your friendly local garage to stick the gas analyser in the exhaust so you can set the carb properly. Mine now requires a lot more choke than it used to, so if I put the choke in too early it has backfired before, and runs badly until properly warm.
Check choke cable operates correctly and through full range of choke at carb. Could be an inlet leak causing it to run very lean? Squirt of WD should highlight that. I guess gaskets can dry out over winter.
Definitely sounds fuel/combustion related rather than ignition.
Edd
Ask your friendly local garage to stick the gas analyser in the exhaust so you can set the carb properly. Mine now requires a lot more choke than it used to, so if I put the choke in too early it has backfired before, and runs badly until properly warm.
Check choke cable operates correctly and through full range of choke at carb. Could be an inlet leak causing it to run very lean? Squirt of WD should highlight that. I guess gaskets can dry out over winter.
Definitely sounds fuel/combustion related rather than ignition.
Edd
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Re: Moggie engine head scratcher
valves seen to be bouncing up and down OK .
Not necessarily the same as at higher rpm. A slower closing (and perhaps not a perfect seal at slow speed) valve may not close fully at higher rpm, resulting in the spark igniting the mixture back into the manifold. Had a similar dituation on a 'special' back in the seventies. Engine would idle, but not rev properly as it got warmer As engine got hotter an exhaust valve actually stuck partly open and it went on three pots. The simple fix was that of removing the valve stem seals on that particular engine. So, it can happen.
RAB
Not necessarily the same as at higher rpm. A slower closing (and perhaps not a perfect seal at slow speed) valve may not close fully at higher rpm, resulting in the spark igniting the mixture back into the manifold. Had a similar dituation on a 'special' back in the seventies. Engine would idle, but not rev properly as it got warmer As engine got hotter an exhaust valve actually stuck partly open and it went on three pots. The simple fix was that of removing the valve stem seals on that particular engine. So, it can happen.
RAB