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Advice Required

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:16 pm
by Alex Macmillan
At the risk of offending the purists, I would like to change the OEM steering wheel on a 1971 Minor for a retro Banjo type. Is this a possibility, considering the Horn Push? Is it a case of just removing the original push to get at the Wheel nut, Wheel off, Banjo on, tighten, and replace the Horn Push? Or is it more complicated? Any advice gratefully received.

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:23 pm
by pgp001
I changed mine and it was pretty straight forward as you describe.
I dont think the later horn push will fit the earlier banjo type wheel, you will need the correct one that goes with it.

Phil P

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:09 pm
by ManyMinors
You do indeed require the correct hornpush to go with the banjo steering wheel. And the screw to attach it of course. The correct hornpush is generally harder to find than the steering wheel itself. Other than that it is a simple straightforward direct replacement.

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:23 pm
by jagnut66
Hi,
This is the horn push you need:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174615312238 ... SwZUJhyxyP
A good polish with Autosol will bring it up nicely if you want to spruce it up a bit, or you can fit it 'as is'.
There are several Banjo type Morris Minor steering wheels on eBay at the moment, prices range from £100 down to £59, so one to suit most skill sets, from those who want a good usable wheel from the off, down to a cheaper one with a few splits / cracks, which can be filled with resin and the whole thing rubbed down and resprayed.
Grab the horn push while you can though, they seem to be the things that are getting harder to find in any condition....
Best wishes,
Mike.

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:22 am
by Alex Macmillan
Thanks to all for the helpful information.

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 3:06 pm
by Alex Macmillan
Further to the comment "you will need the screw too", what screw and where does it go? I have a Banjo wheel but it doesn't appear to have a hole to accommodate a screw.

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:45 pm
by ManyMinors
If your steering wheel doesn't have the screw hole to secure the hornpush, you don't have the right steering wheel. Maybe you've purchased a steering wheel from the earlier model where the hornpush was on the indicator switch? You'll either have to get the correct wheel or no doubt it is possible to drill a hole in the boss? Either way, you'll need to secure the hornpush somehow and originally they were always held by a single screw.
The attached picture shows the hole - which is countersunk to suit the screw. Apologies for the poor picture quality.
Banjo screw hole.JPG
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Re: Advice Required

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:46 pm
by ManyMinors
This second picture shows the correct hornpush and screw.
Banjo hornpush screw.JPG
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Re: Advice Required

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:43 pm
by geoberni
As I understand the chronology of the Steering Wheel Horn Push, it is something like...
Up to 1956, Horn in Centre of Wheel.
57 to 59, Horn on stalk.
59 - 71, Horn back in Centre of Wheel.

As the Latter 2 Spoke Wheel only arrived in 64, you'll see there is a 2-3 yr period where the Banjo Wheel did not have a Horn Button.

There was a guy posting recently on the Club facebook group about fitting a horn button to a non-horn banjo...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/morrism ... 3718060318

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:25 pm
by jagnut66
As above, you may have acquired a Banjo wheel from the later period.
Remove your original wheel and check the splines on your Banjo fit the Minors steering column by doing a trial fit, it should slide in place reasonably easily, possibly with a little 'forceful wiggling' to get it on and then back off again but basically the splines should align.
Once you know you have a Minor Banjo (and not something else like an MG one), you can then drill and countersink a screw hole, as advised above.
Let us know how you get on.

As an aside, can someone confirm for the OP the size of screw required to secure the horn in place, as I didn't see one supplied with the horn push I found earlier.

Good luck and best wishes,
Mike.

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:11 pm
by Alex Macmillan
It looks like I've opened a small can of worms! Having looked at the article mentioned, it would appear that the modern horn push could be fitted into an earlier Banjo without going down the original old Banjo button route. But there again, I could be wrong.

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:24 pm
by Boomlander
Looks like the guy in the article has fitted a late horn push to a banjo wheel but it is non functional as his car has an indicator stalk horn button? :D

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:32 pm
by ManyMinors
Boomlander wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:24 pm Looks like the guy in the article has fitted a late horn push to a banjo wheel but it is non functional as his car has an indicator stalk horn button? :D
Quite. It isn't going to help the OP who just needs to purchase the correct parts :wink:

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:52 pm
by Boomlander
I've had a search on Ebay and also checked the main suppliers.
There are a few banjo wheels but only the later type horn pushes.
I was considering a banjo wheel for Willum but without the correct horn push I wouldn't be happy with it. I'll keep looking though!
Happy New Year Everyone! :)

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:45 pm
by jagnut66
Richard at 'Minor Parts of Oxford' may be able to help, he was advertising the correct one for £60 recently.
Link below.
Best wishes,
Mike.

https://minorpartsofoxford.co.uk/morris ... -hornpush/

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:53 pm
by Boomlander
As an aside, can someone confirm for the OP the size of screw required to secure the horn in place, as I didn't see one supplied with the horn push I found earlier.

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I think, from memory, that the screw is a 2BA 1/2" Raised Countersink. :D

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:09 pm
by Boomlander
Duplicate post!........ Apologies.

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:10 pm
by Boomlander
Hi All,
Just bought a banjo wheel on Ebay for £35 in great condition!
Also managed to steal a horn push assembly for £25!
Both are from a 1500 Wolseley but are identical to the Minor ones apart from the horn button which is of course a W.
A guy on Ebay has manufactured replacement buttons with the M logo so for another £20 it should complete the upgrade?... downgrade?..... Exchange! 😂

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:33 am
by jagnut66
Someone's breaking a whole Wolseley 1500 on there too, shame really but as some parts, seats, rear axle, brakes, steering wheel and horn push (as mentioned by Boomlander), are used as Minor upgrades (no pun intended :wink: ). So here's the link:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174676391307 ... SwRY5fpGh9
I'll do a separate post for this, so everyone gets a chance to acquire bits.
Best wishes,
Mike.

Re: Advice Required

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:45 pm
by ManyMinors
As the seller is called "The Morris Minor Spares Shop" I'd guess that he's very aware of what items fit a Morris Minor and will have priced them accordingly (or more likely already sold them) :wink: .