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Old style log book

Postby burnham28 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:45 am

There's an old style log book and an old Mot for a Morris minor van for sale on e bay again beware.
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Re: Old style log book

Postby POMMReg » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:19 pm

Hi Mr.B.

Would you please send a link to all Minor rf60s or v5's on sale.
Further investigations uncovered it was an inside job!!

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Re: Old style log book

Postby geoberni » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:50 pm

Here you go POMMReg

Some interesting Log Books on here:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from ... k&_sacat=0
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Re: Old style log book

Postby les » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:05 pm

Five pages of log books for sale! Maybe seller works for dvla!


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Re: Old style log book

Postby Dogsdad » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:28 pm

Another e-bay ad.
Set of number plates, small bulkhead ID plate, and V5C from a Minor Traveller.
Very handy ( and potentially very dodgy ).
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Re: Old style log book

Postby Dogsdad » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:38 pm

Number plates for above are SVC 478H.
Small ID plate very poorly stamped.
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Re: Old style log book

Postby shoebone » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:54 pm

That Ebay link .... I scrolled down a bit and was surprised to see somebody selling brand new chassis along with a log books :o what next .... donor cars with no trace of original ownership? Things are getting out of hand !!

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Re: Old style log book

Postby geoberni » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:21 pm

shoebone wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:54 pm
That Ebay link .... I scrolled down a bit and was surprised to see somebody selling brand new chassis along with a log books :o what next .... donor cars with no trace of original ownership? Things are getting out of hand !!
Yep, for a Saloon that's been MIA since 1992....
A project that only consists of a Chassis and a V5C.


Things really are ridiculous. It seems that many people never scrapped cars in the legitimate way in the 70s-00s, so the DVLA database is full of current but often non-existent vehicles.
I don't see why, after 6 months of being un-taxed, the DVLA didn't pay a visit to the Registered Keeper to see where the vehicle was. OK, so it was before the SORN was a requirement, but it still seems daft that the DVLA don't know where all these vehicles are.
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Re: Old style log book

Postby Dogsdad » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:14 am

Stuff for SVC 478H was not sold.

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Re: Old style log book

Postby ianmack » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:44 am

DVLA should visit the keeper? There are thirty million vehicles in this country and late in their lives they tend to have less well notified records as fewer people bother about bangers. The scale and cost of chasing them all would be prohibitive.

The further problem is the limited circumstances under which DVLA will accept notification of scrapping. The vehicle, or at least its chassis or shell with v5, has to be taken to a breaker who certifies destruction. Years ago I acquired a saloon, utterly rotten with no v5, and eventually dismantled it. On the official record it will exist forever.

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Re: Old style log book

Postby palacebear » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:02 am

When my Traveller went for scrap in '87 there were still plenty of small scrap dealers around, many of whom were probably none too scrupulous! I simply phoned the nearest one listed in the local Yellow Pages. He turned up the next day and towed the car away, taking the whole V5 with him, including the sellers' supplement section. As we were only a couple days away from moving house, I was too distracted to query the paperwork aspect.

Presumably these days, where we have licenced Vehicle Recycling Centres, and with stricter environmental controls having forced the closure of many small scrapyards, the problem of unrecorded vehicle scrappings should have diminished somewhat
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Re: Old style log book

Postby les » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:37 am

Probably half the club membership own vehicles made up of numerous parts from other cars, and possibly identity numbers! Who's to know? If a car has been genuinely scrapped and the numbers transferred to another, how can you know? The latter car becomes the former. Would be the same as replacing all the components of the scrapped car just keeping the ID numbers. Just the other way round. I think think these vehicles are too old to be able to guarantee originality.


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Re: Old style log book

Postby Shropshiremoggie » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:34 pm

Thanks why I love my Moggie , bought by my uncle in 1970 brand new and in the family ever since . As original as it can be !!!!

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Re: Old style log book

Postby geoberni » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:39 pm

ianmack wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:44 am
DVLA should visit the keeper? There are thirty million vehicles in this country and late in their lives they tend to have less well notified records as fewer people bother about bangers. The scale and cost of chasing them all would be prohibitive.
They've been quick enough to send the TV Licensing people around in the past.
In the mid 80's, I'd only been in my house about 2 weeks when a TV Licensing Inspector turned up at the front door to ask where my License was. He was a bit shocked when I produced the one from our previous house, all duly stamped at the post office for a change of address.

There might be 30 million vehicles in the UK, but is that just the ones with a current Road Tax or just the 'registered ones'? Genuine question, as I've no idea.
It's not just the really old cars that are still 'live' on the DVLA, the Blue Vauxhall Viva I brought new in 1977 is showing up still, although the colour is now recorded as Red, but it's untaxed since '92.
Whilst the 1991 Mitsubishi I sold to a Polish guy via ebay in 2005, has been untaxed since then, but then I do believe he drove to Poland in it soon after he brought it, as he phoned me from there to ask some silly question about the engine, because he was having it converted to gas!!

But when all this started, there were only perhaps 10 million on the road..... :wink:
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Re: Old style log book

Postby ianmack » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:03 pm

The thirty million figure was quoted on the BBC recently. I think it is the number taxed and in use. How many long untaxed cars do or don’t exist would be an impossible question.

The TV licence isn’t really comparable as it relates quite simply to an address with or without licence or telly. Calling at the last recorded address for a vehicle could often be the start of a lengthy investigation to little avail. Vehicles and their owners are more mobile than houses. Verifying non existence might be a philosophical nightmare.

At least you had the satisfaction of spoiling the licence snooper’s day!

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Re: Old style log book

Postby burnham28 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:08 pm

Five old style log books for Morris minors for sale on ebay allegedly for memorabilia ???
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