Original (old) crossply with good tread

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Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby jagnut66 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:07 pm

Hi,
I am trying to create an original style spare wheel, to prop against my traveller at shows. The original spare wheel with the traveller had a crossply on it but this turns out to be a modern tubless version, dating to 2014.
The spare wheel is in the process of being stripped of its later white paint, after which it will go 'back to black'. :D
I have an inner tube, so what I need is an original crossply, that is visually in good order. It will never be used in anger, so as long as it's flexible enough to be fitted to my wheel, it doesn't matter if it's 50 odd years old.
So the question is, does anybody have one?
Many thanks,
Mike.
1954 Series 2: 4 door: "Sally" -- on axle stands needing more welding......
1955 Series 2: Traveller: "Elsie May" -- on the road and enjoying her 'as is' for now but I see work ahead......
1970 Triumph Herald 1200: "Hetty" -- driven back from Llangollen in Wales

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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby Des911 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:10 pm

I've got a wheel with a cross ply on it, I don't know whether it's tubeless or not without letting the tyre down. You're welcome to it.
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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby jagnut66 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:24 pm

Sounds good to me, did it come with your car when you bought it?
I only ask, as this is my existing one:
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It would have done fine, except, as you can see, it clearly states 'Tubeless', then: 5-20-14
Which kind of knocks the image an old original for six................
Best wishes,
Mike.
1954 Series 2: 4 door: "Sally" -- on axle stands needing more welding......
1955 Series 2: Traveller: "Elsie May" -- on the road and enjoying her 'as is' for now but I see work ahead......
1970 Triumph Herald 1200: "Hetty" -- driven back from Llangollen in Wales

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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby geoberni » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:45 pm

Des911 wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:10 pm
I've got a wheel with a cross ply on it, I don't know whether it's tubeless or not without letting the tyre down. You're welcome to it.
You can tell by the valve stem. A tubeless one is clearly fitted to the wheel.
See the manual Fig O.16.
A tube valve stem will simply poke out the hole.
A Tubeless will be closely fitted to the wheel, either looking like a modern one (look at any nearby modern car) or the original ones to convert a wheel to tubeless had an obvious nut on the base of the stem.
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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby geoberni » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:58 pm

jagnut66 wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:24 pm
Sounds good to me, did it come with your car when you bought it?
I only ask, as this is my existing one:

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It would have done fine, except, as you can see, it clearly states 'Tubeless', then: 5-20-14
Which kind of knocks the image an old original for six................
Best wishes,
Mike.
Mike
You're reading that incorrectly.

It's not a date of May 20th 2014 :lol: or any other reference to the date.
If the tyre is dated, it will be contained in a rounded depression on the sidewall.

5.20 is the size.
14 in the Diameter Wheel it fits.....


See this page for how to read the markings on a tyre:
https://www.vintagetyres.com/tools/
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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby Des911 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:32 pm

Been and checked it says Tubeless 5-20-14 the same as yours.

Sorry
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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby jagnut66 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:57 pm

These are the only other marks I could find on it, so unless they mean something to someone I think I must conclude that it is a modern version.
In which case the hunt goes on for an old original to save from the fate so many must have gone onto........
Like I said, I have an inner tube I just need the tyre.
Best wishes,
Mike.
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1954 Series 2: 4 door: "Sally" -- on axle stands needing more welding......
1955 Series 2: Traveller: "Elsie May" -- on the road and enjoying her 'as is' for now but I see work ahead......
1970 Triumph Herald 1200: "Hetty" -- driven back from Llangollen in Wales

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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby geoberni » Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:02 pm

Mike, I've already given you a link above to how to identify a tyre.

So far from
These are the only other marks I could find on it, so unless they mean something to someone I think I must conclude that it is a modern version.
Your tyre doesn't have any date marking so, referencing that link, it is a pre 1980 Tyre.

It also doesn't take much looking online to see that Dunlop Gold Seal C41 was only made for a few years in the 60s, launching in early '62.

How old do you want....
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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby Chief » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:27 pm

Just to add to this thread, my mothers car came with its' original tyres (from 1963) still attached and though I don't have access to the pre-tyre change photos I'm sure they were tubeless since we replaced them with modern tubeless ones as a like-for-like replacement.

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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby jagnut66 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:23 pm

Dunlop Gold Seal C41 was only made for a few years in the 60s, launching in early '62.
Blimey! It looks so new condition-wise that I didn't think to look up my tyre, so what you say above really surprises me!
In which case I've been sitting on exactly the type of thing I'm looking for all along.
Unless someone has one from the 50's, which would match my car........
Pretty unlikely by now I would think, though I could be proved wrong......

I've now bookmarked your link Berni.
Best wishes,
Mike.
1954 Series 2: 4 door: "Sally" -- on axle stands needing more welding......
1955 Series 2: Traveller: "Elsie May" -- on the road and enjoying her 'as is' for now but I see work ahead......
1970 Triumph Herald 1200: "Hetty" -- driven back from Llangollen in Wales

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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby jagnut66 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:38 pm

I've just bought this to laminate and display with the tyre when it's back on the wheel:
Best wishes,
Mike.
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1954 Series 2: 4 door: "Sally" -- on axle stands needing more welding......
1955 Series 2: Traveller: "Elsie May" -- on the road and enjoying her 'as is' for now but I see work ahead......
1970 Triumph Herald 1200: "Hetty" -- driven back from Llangollen in Wales

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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby sparesman » Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:08 pm

Mike

I've probably got an unused one somewhere if you want to ring me or email me

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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby jagnut66 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:12 pm

I've probably got an unused one somewhere if you want to ring me or email me
Thanks Bryan. I'm doing this one to go with the Traveller but if you have one knocking about I may well do one to go with Sally as well.
I'll give you a call.


Meanwhile I was browsing the antique centre in Bolsover today (that and the castle are well worth a visit if you are in the area), looking for Christmas presents to tuck away, when I spotted another version of this:
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The one I found is a black and white version from 'Practical Motorist and Motor Cyclist' and dates to October 1955, so bang on for Elsie May.
It was so cheap that I decided it was fate, it is now laminated and ready for display with the other advert.
Best wishes,
Mike.
1954 Series 2: 4 door: "Sally" -- on axle stands needing more welding......
1955 Series 2: Traveller: "Elsie May" -- on the road and enjoying her 'as is' for now but I see work ahead......
1970 Triumph Herald 1200: "Hetty" -- driven back from Llangollen in Wales

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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby mgdavid » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:05 am

I like the idea of period ads displayed with the car, well done
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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby JOWETTJAVELIN » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:11 pm

That is a very early tubeless tyre advert as they were just taking hold in Britain in the early 1950's. And to think there are still heated discussions about inner tubes and tubeless tyres on Minors today, 70 years later!
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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby jagnut66 » Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:44 pm

That is a very early tubeless tyre advert as they were just taking hold in Britain in the early 1950's. And to think there are still heated discussions about inner tubes and tubeless tyres on Minors today, 70 years later!
Just to throw oil on that particular fire, if you read the Dunlop history timeline, in the link below, you will see that they first introduced the 'Tubeless' in 1948!........
https://www.dunlop.eu/dunlop_be/_header ... innovation
I have just been given another Dunlop crossply which is potentially older than my C41. The symbol on it is GS (Gold Seal) in a circle, rather than in word form, as with the C41. Once again there is no discernible date and I have found two adverts dating to 1952, now bought to laminate and display with it -- see below.
As an aside, note the number of old British car manufacturers represented in the first advert. Oh, what we've lost...... :cry:
From what I've been able to find out online it seems that the GS in a circle symbol was discontinued early on, so this tyre may well date to the 50's but if someone knows better please feel free to correct me.
Now I must stop. Before I end up with a shed full of old crossplies............... :lol:
Best wishes,
Mike.
NB: The 'JCF Mera' is on the scan only I'm glad to say and not on the advert I will recieve.
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1954 Series 2: 4 door: "Sally" -- on axle stands needing more welding......
1955 Series 2: Traveller: "Elsie May" -- on the road and enjoying her 'as is' for now but I see work ahead......
1970 Triumph Herald 1200: "Hetty" -- driven back from Llangollen in Wales

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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby taupe » Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:47 pm

I have an Esso Regraded tubeless crossply on a spare wheel...still holds air and rubber is nice and soft still :D :D

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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby JOWETTJAVELIN » Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:58 pm

The old rubber compounds were much better and age should be no barrier to use with such tyres - as long as they pass visual inspection.
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Re: Original (old) crossply with good tread

Postby jagnut66 » Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:10 pm

The old rubber compounds were much better and age should be no barrier to use with such tyres - as long as they pass visual inspection.
The tread on both is almost like new. However, even if you are right, I prefer to keep them for display only.
Besides, it would be a shame to wear them out after they've survived this long. :P
Best wishes,
Mike.
1954 Series 2: 4 door: "Sally" -- on axle stands needing more welding......
1955 Series 2: Traveller: "Elsie May" -- on the road and enjoying her 'as is' for now but I see work ahead......
1970 Triumph Herald 1200: "Hetty" -- driven back from Llangollen in Wales


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