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Flashing indicators and trafficators

Postby Lewlo93 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:40 am

Hi everyone! My Morris minor has retro fitted flashing indicators, it used to have trafficators. I was just wondering if there is a way of using both? And if anyone has an idea as to how to wire it up? Thanks everyone!

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Re: Flashing indicators and trafficators

Postby KeithL » Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:03 pm

Our Traveller has both working. Unfortunately it was all sorted before we got the car. I know from the previous owner that two relays from a Ford Mondeo were involved. I'm sure someone more technical will be along soon to fill in the details.


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Re: Flashing indicators and trafficators

Postby myoldjalopy » Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:46 pm

If it were me, I would keep them on seperate switches as you may not always want the trafficators to come out every time you sgnal.
For my car I got a switch like this one: http://www.morrisminorspares.com/electr ... as-p829883 and mounted it on a bracket fitted under the dashboard (much better than drilling holes in the dash itself to fit it). You might find one cheaper at an autojumble or through club spares.
Assuming the trafficators and their wires are still in place, take a feed to the switch from A4 on the control box (I think that's right, but best check a wiring diagramme for cars with trafficators).

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Re: Flashing indicators and trafficators

Postby ManyMinors » Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:22 pm

IF you want to use both together from the same switch, it is very simple. You take a second feed from the Right and Left side of the indicator switch so that one of the live feeds goes direct to the trafficator and the second goes via a flasher unit to the flashing indicator light. You do indeed need two flasher units - just ordinary Morris 1000 ones will do - because you have to have one for each side. If you fit them up behind the dashboard somewhere, you will also have a built-in audible warning :)

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Re: Flashing indicators and trafficators

Postby IslipMinor » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:21 pm

A diagram showing the use of the trafficators and 2 standard Minor flasher relays for the flashing indicators is shown below:
Combined Trafficators and Flashing Indicators.jpg
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The problem with this 'simple' circuit is that the trafficators are always in use. Assuming that you want to use the 'flashers' as the default, and you want to be able to switch the trafficators on when required, it gets a bit more complicated and needs a single way/single pole switch to turn the trafficators on/off and 2 x 4-pin relays as shown in the second diagram below:
Combined Trafficators and Flashing Indicators incl relays.jpg
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Re: Flashing indicators and trafficators

Postby Biggles1957 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:50 pm

Have you considered replacing the glow worms that live in the trafficators with self flashing LED's? I don't think you'd need to wire in an additional flasher unit then...

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Re: Flashing indicators and trafficators

Postby IslipMinor » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:03 pm

No, you would not need a separate flasher unit, or two, BUT they are not very visible at best, and virtually invisible down low on the near-side on a 2-door!

Modern traffic has virtually no knowledge of trafficators, and is not expecting a little arm to stick out from the side of the car to indicate the driver's intention to turn left or right directly in front of them! They are from a very different era of traffic speed and density.
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Re: Flashing indicators and trafficators

Postby Biggles1957 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:38 pm

Exactly the point Richard - so the really bright flashing LED's at least make them a bit more visible - especially because people are used to noticing flashing lights these days. I agree though that a lot of drivers now wouldn't notice trafficators - and perhaps not even work out what they were indicating (no pun intended!) plus they're rather vulnerable, especially low down as you say, so purely for safety reasons in modern traffic I would want to make myself as visible as possible. One of the things I found when I had my traveller was that the rear lights are so low down that the idiot bumper huggers simply can't see them! So as it was my every day car I did fit some discrete high level LED brake lights in the bottom of the rear windows.

As far as trafficators go, I have fitted the flashing LED's to both my 1932 Morris Minor and 1934 Morris Oxford Sixteen Six - and they also have the combination LED orange indicator lamps fitted in the sidelight positions. So from the outside everything looks very original, but other drivers are fully aware (if they're not on their stupid mobile phones, or putting their make-up on, or any other amount of irrelevant distractions) of my intentions. Still have to drive defensively though in our proper cars.


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