Early MM parts

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Early MM parts

Postby Redmoggy » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:09 am

Due to a law change regarding rust repaired here in N/Z I'm having to scrap my early MM chassis number 8416. I realise postage will be a killer but I do have some hard to find parts I need to sell so I can recoup some money. I also have the last early screen rubber Frank had left. Feel free to drop me a line.

Rod

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby JohnV » Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:06 pm

Rod: I sent you a private message. best, jv.
I have two Minors in upstate New York. One is the 1961 Traveller my dad bought new that year in London, where I was born. It's had a hard life but is still running cheerfully at 54K miles. The second is the oldest Minor confirmed to survive in North America, a LHD high-light Tourer built in April 1949. It's a total basket case, but will be restored over the coming years.

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby RobThomas » Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:02 pm

Have you thought about exporting the whole car? One that early has great value in the UK. How bad is it?
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Re: Early MM parts

Postby Redmoggy » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:19 pm

Rob, I would love too. I've been talking with a chap about the possibility of doing so. The very last thing I actually want to do is crush it. As for how bad, it has rust in the A posts and floor edges. The left chassis rail has been poorly repaired around the eye bolt causing the suspension arm to rub the tie plate and pop the spot welds along a section of rail. It needs a boot corner and rear valence repair after a poorly repaired accident. One front guard requires minimal work and the other a little bit more, the doors look to be solid except for the quarter lights have rotted out, I have replacements for these but sadly no latches. One rear guard is original to the car and pre dates the reinforced mounting lip the other is slightly later. The battery tray requires replacing but pre dates the rota dip hole.

The engine and box have gone and someone wants the front bumper but it's still in my hands at the moment. I'll post pics once I've spoken to the other chap involved.

Rod

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby ManyMinors » Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:27 pm

Breaking it would be a great shame. The amount of work you describe would be considered a very minimal restoration in the UK!

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby Redmoggy » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:22 am

It would indeed be a shame, I’m English and a motor mechanic by trade. I spent a great deal of time welding cars and this one is not that bad. None of that changes the fact that the law here now does not allow me to repair it and it needs to go some where. If I find someone that wants to ship it back to the UK I would certainly be happy to help my end. However that’s a big spend for someone!

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby RobThomas » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:35 pm

Anyone know how expensive it would be? Might be able to justify it if I could get enough other bits inside the shipping container. Our 1949 came from Aus so it can't be too expensive. Not many unrestored Lowlights in the UK, after all.

Photos would be handy, obviously. :D
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Re: Early MM parts

Postby JohnV » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:55 pm

Hear, hear! PHOTOS !!
I have two Minors in upstate New York. One is the 1961 Traveller my dad bought new that year in London, where I was born. It's had a hard life but is still running cheerfully at 54K miles. The second is the oldest Minor confirmed to survive in North America, a LHD high-light Tourer built in April 1949. It's a total basket case, but will be restored over the coming years.

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby RobThomas » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:02 pm

About £3000 UK for a 20 foot container from Auckland to this side of the UK dock gates. That's good for 2 cars and a couple of tons of parts.
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Re: Early MM parts

Postby jagnut66 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:04 pm

It would indeed be a shame, I’m English and a motor mechanic by trade. I spent a great deal of time welding cars and this one is not that bad. None of that changes the fact that the law here now does not allow me to repair it and it needs to go some where. If I find someone that wants to ship it back to the UK I would certainly be happy to help my end. However that’s a big spend for someone!
Hi,
This must be quite concerning / disheartening for classic car fans in NZ.
What prompted such draconian legislation?
Are you allowed to make any repairs at all?
Mine is being rebuilt at present and the rear inner wings have just been cut out to be replaced with new ones, plus the floor and sills have been repaired, from what you say I take it all such activity is now illegal over there?
Is this the 'thin end of the wedge' for classic car enthusiasts / restorers in NZ?
Best wishes,
Mike.
1954 Series 2 on axle stands needing more welding......

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby Redmoggy » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:09 am

This particular rule applies because the car has been deregistered. If a vehicle remains unregistered for over a year it falls off the system, in order to get it back on the road it requires certification, which if you like is a very in depth MOT. Brakes are stripped, interior panels removed etc. Since the certifier is a mechanic and not a panel beater he his not considered qualified to comment on the safety of any accident or rust repairs so these have to be referred to a specialist repair certifier. Until recently I would have been able to contact the repair certifier and he would come out and start a " File " on the repairs carried out and monitor progress ensuring the work was up to scratch. Once the car was complete and ready for certification and registration I would produce the file from the repair certifier proving the repairs were safely carried out. For some reason this has now changed and you must first have " i-Car " welding certification and be working in a panel shop in order for the repair certifier to sign you off. If I were to complete the repairs and take the finished car for certification the repair certifier can insist the vehicle is media blasted to reveal any repairs for inspection.

In some ways it makes sense......................

Rod

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby jagnut66 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:19 pm

Thus killing off home restoration.....
Let us hope no-one ever applies this over here, potentially allot of perfectly savable cars could end up broken up for spares only.
Plus with repairs only allowed to be carried out by a certified 'professional' restorer or restoration company on company premises, classic cars could become the domain of those with plenty of spare cash only, thus potentially killing off the grass roots classic car movement in this country.
Worst case scenario I agree but something to bear in mind.
One thing we do have in our favour over here is the 'SORN' system, which keeps a car registered on the database though officially 'off the road'.
Good job we have the likes of Practical Classics over here to voice our concerns and fight our corner on such issues.
Best wishes,
Mike.
1954 Series 2 on axle stands needing more welding......

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby Redmoggy » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:22 am

There is a similar system here, you can put a vehicle on hold for a maximum of 12 months and you have to keep renewing. People forget!
Would you be disappointed to hear that the Classic Car Club of N/Z are quite often consulted on such law changes?

Anyhow this the old girl when I dragged her out of the chaps shed/barn. Some of you may remember me posting when I got it.
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The last one is how she sits today. I had dismantled the shell, stripped the exterior paint ( All ten coats) ) and applied an epoxy based etch when my Wee Man came along followed by his Little Sister a couple years later. After having to move the car to my work I decided to make a start on the worst bit of rust, being the left A post and corner. Then I found out about the rule change.

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby myoldjalopy » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:56 am

I hope this car is saved somehow. Its far too good to be scrapped. :(

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby jagnut66 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:23 pm

I agree, this car deserves to be saved / restored.
Would you be disappointed to hear that the Classic Car Club of N/Z are quite often consulted on such law changes?
That does sound a bit worrying, like your own club is working against the ordinary enthusiast............ :(
Best wishes,
Mike.
1954 Series 2 on axle stands needing more welding......

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby Redmoggy » Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:18 am

Well Gents,

The car owes me less than a grand N/Z, I don’t need to make a profit and will happily take a loss to a good home. I have access to a van and salvage trailer, there are several shipping firms here in Christchurch that will rent a container or space within one and I will gladly load everything up and deliver it for free.
All I need is for someone to put their hand up.

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby RobThomas » Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:44 am

Do you know anyone in the business who might have 11 feet in a container going to the UK? Hard to organise anything other than a full container from the UK end of the line. We're in South Wales so anywhere between London and Bristol is handy.


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Re: Early MM parts

Postby Redmoggy » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:42 am

Sorry Rob, I don't. However a quick local Google brings these guys up
https://tauruslogistics.co.nz
Being Christchurch based makes them handy.
May be worth an email if you wanted to dip your feet. I can assemble as much as I can so you only have a Morrie shaped lump and not lots of seperate parts taking up room.
I've admired your Tourer for some time, would look good next too a Platinum grey saloon.

Please do let me know how you get on and if you are serious though, my Boss is getting grumpy about me using the space and has suggested if I don't sell it he wants to roof chop it and leave it in his paddock as a garden ornament! If I can give him a time frame I can stall for time.

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Re: Early MM parts

Postby Redmoggy » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:47 am

Hopefully this should make registering it a little easier as well. You have to like proper old log books!
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Re: Early MM parts

Postby RobThomas » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:25 pm

Emails sent to the shippersbut I guess everyone is asleep down there. :D
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