Aldi type places.

[SteveClem]

Haven't we just!
I applaud firedrake's eloquent appeal for tolerance and multiculturalism, but in a democracy we have to listen to the majority view and respond appropriately. Democracy being the worst possible system,apart from all the others.

[firedrake1942]

Well said Steve, and good luck today, but the majority can be just plain wrong and when they are it ill behoves the rest of us to sit back and watch the ensuing chaos without at least attempting to right those wrongs.


'Hasta la Victoria Siempre' as one of my heroes once said!

[myoldjalopy]

The majority are often led by the nose by the conniving b*******s in positions of power and influence (and I'm not just talking politicians here) who manipulate them for their own miserly and corrupt interests - chaos then, indeed, ensues!

[Blaketon]

Politics is only a form of marketing and marketing often seems to work when you mix two things; the first smells and the second is stupidity. I don't think the political classes (Including so called commentators) like outsiders.

[sid]

Well said Steve, and good luck today, but the majority can be just plain wrong and when they are it ill behoves the rest of us to sit back and watch the ensuing chaos without at least attempting to right those wrongs.


'Hasta la Victoria Siempre' as one of my heroes once said!

you sound like a bitter and twisted 'remoaner',firedrake1942.

[TDV102]

Politicians are elected to represent the people, something they usually stop doing once elected!
As for God - patient guy waited 4.6 billion years before anyone was around to worship him!

[firedrake1942]

Not bitter and twisted , nor moaning, juts very angry at the wasted opportunity to construct a better world with our partners and at the lumpen credulous cretins who voted leave and those self interested elites who lied through their teeth to get them to vote leave. The former will rue the day they believed the lies, the latter will simply profit as the UK goes down the U bend of history. Hopefully with the t*rds that lied and lied again with the detritus !

[TDV102]

Not a fence sitter then...

[philthehill]

Only history will tell whether the decision(s) made and process currently being undertaken was and is right or wrong.

[myoldjalopy]

You are correct, Phil, although I believe we were between a rock and a hard place and doomed either way! The damage has already been done and there is no going back.
Personally, I believe the UK started its long journey down the U-bend in the sixties - I mean, they even stopped producing Minors the following decade! What more proof could you want!!

[Propshaft]

To firedrake with the crystal ball don't usually reply to these comments but can assure you I am not a credulous lumpen cretin

[Blaketon]

You are correct, Phil, although I believe we were between a rock and a hard place and doomed either way! The damage has already been done and there is no going back.
Personally, I believe the UK started its long journey down the U-bend in the sixties - I mean, they even stopped producing Minors the following decade! What more proof could you want!!

I feel the same way. I think we reached the stage, by the late '70s, where the country (And especially industry) needed help; in patient terms it needed treatment. What it got was a lethal injection. We've lived off and squandered the benefits of North Sea oil and now seem to rely on consumer debt and a casino, in order to sustain the economy.

The EEC was a good idea but I don't think turning it into the EU was such a good idea. I see Brexit as an opportunity to put our house in order, without interference from outside but I can't say I ever heard the leave side say that it represented an opportunity to get back to a stage where labels said "Made in" or "Grown in Britain" (Though it would have to be a long term project and most people and politicians are only interested in short term expedients). I am a big believer in the notion that patriotism begins in the pocket; in other words waving Union Jacks, that are made in China, is a futile gesture.

So far as immigration is concerned, if you go back far enough, we are all immigrants up to a point but Britain is full, like a 53 seater bus, with 75 people on board. Those of us already here must surely take precidence and with world populations increasing (Expectations too in some cases), I feel we have to look towards greater self sufficiency in food. We can't do that by building on farm land or by having more mouths to feed. So far as the rest of the world is concerned, we will still be members of the United Nations and I don't see that leaving the EU will change that. There are those, who seem to despise our society and I fully admit that there are aspects of so called Western culture that sicken me. However, if it sickened me that much, I'd leave; I wouldn't drive a Transit van down a crowded pavement.

If we ever leave the EU (I'm still not convinced that we will; I suspect the whole thing is a charade to "Cleanse" the Conservative Party of Euro sceptics), I fear that nothing will really change and that either way, we are sadly going down the pan.

I am sure this thread (Aside from now being nothing to do with Aldi) is now going way outside the spirit of the forum; politics is supposed to be banned. However, as it seems to have been allowed here, I would ask that we at least keep it civil and refrain from calling people cretins or remoaners.

[TDV102]

Returning to the issue of shopping, the UK needs to encourage Britain to buy british, local and seasonal. Carting food and livestock all over Europe and the world is a bad idea and costly.
Britain's problems have stemmed from a lack of long term vision by any party.

[les]

Cretin. --- I was disappointed to hear that insult from our friend. He must be very resentful.

[firedrake1942]

Not an insult , an observation!

[SteveClem]

Time to move on? Now,this rubbish Aldi type place....

[firedrake1942]

Excellen woolly hats, Aldi (£2.99) though, as I put the No.1, not the No. 2 attachment on the hair clippers last week ! God it's cold!

[geoberni]

Excellen woolly hats, Aldi (£2.99) though, as I put the No.1, not the No. 2 attachment on the hair clippers last week ! God it's cold!

No1... No2?
I'm using No5 at the moment, and that includes on the beard!!

[firedrake1942]

Always been short but never this short!

[palacebear]

Excellen woolly hats, Aldi (£2.99) though, as I put the No.1, not the No. 2 attachment on the hair clippers last week ! God it's cold!

No.1 clippers on top and on beard done Friday. Woolly hats make my scalp itch like crazy so baseball cap to keep the draught off!