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engine upgrade.

Postby sooty » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:08 pm

i'm looking at upgrading my 1000 engine with a 1.4 rover metro. can anybody tell me if it will be the same as the mini metro convertion. many thanks. :lol:

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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby Alex'n'Ane » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:45 pm

I think the mini metro was an A series, so not too hard a swap, the 1.4 is a totally different beats isn't it? Sure it can be done though...
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby beero » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:28 pm

1.1 and 1.4 metro engines were not A series, would be very difficult methinks.


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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby linearaudio » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:03 pm

As a "K" series engine, it can, and has been done in RWD form(look at the JLH website). Don't know that many have tried converting to Metro "A" series, as unless you are going FWD, which would be a major transformation,it is a waste of effort as there are too many differences to mate it to a RWD format.
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby PSL184 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:05 pm

The 1.4 K series will go in with some work... See here for kits and info http://www.jlhmorrisminors.co.uk/
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby irmscher » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:29 am

It will cost a fortune :(

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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby mgdavid » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:08 pm

frm JLH:-
"We no longer offer this modification, but do have a limited number of the conversion kits left in stock."

now why would they drop it - is there an inherent problem, or maybe parts shortage?
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby Alex'n'Ane » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:58 pm

mgdavid wrote:frm JLH:-
"We no longer offer this modification, but do have a limited number of the conversion kits left in stock."

now why would they drop it - is there an inherent problem, or maybe parts shortage?
Because they are now focusing on the zetec conversion, as there will be much better long term parts supply. Imo the ford sigma engine is a better bat than the k-series due to parts availability and the reliability of the design. :d
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby bmcecosse » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:50 pm

They are no longer doing it -because the Mutro engine is crap....... :roll:
Decide on your budget -if anything less than £2000 or so - just concentrate on making the best of the A series engine.......
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby Alex'n'Ane » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:53 pm

bmcecosse wrote:They are no longer doing it -because the Mutro engine is crap....... :roll:
Decide on your budget -if anything less than £2000 or so - just concentrate on making the best of the A series engine.......
The k-series itself is an excellent engine, so I feel that comment is wrong (if it is indeed a k-series)
Also you can fit something better and different for under £2000, you just have to do the work yourself.
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby bmcecosse » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:58 pm

The K series is just not worth the trouble - the head gasket can blow if you look at it sideways - and then costs a small fortune to attempt (by no means a certain ) to fix the problem - including new through bolts and expensive gaskets. Essentially - it IS a good enough engine - especially the crank bearings which I was involved with developing at Glacier many moons ago.....but over the years it has become 'fragile'...... There are much better engines out there. And yes of course - DIY will be much cheaper.
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby chrisryder » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:10 pm

bmcecosse wrote:The K series is just not worth the trouble - the head gasket can blow if you look at it sideways
hit the nail on the head there. in its transverse applications it was awful, but by all accounts when fitted longitudinally in minors, you can get ample cooling and headgaskets aren't an issue.

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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby bmcecosse » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:20 pm

Personally - I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a decent diesel engine for the Minor. I know some have been done - but all comprehensive rebuild jobs. Just a nice economical diesel with a backplate to fit to the Minor box would be good..... Emphasis on economy - not performance.
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby charlie_morris_minor » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:01 am

the K series engine does eat its head gasket when bored out to 1.8 litres and fitted to the incredibly heavy defender. in 1.4 litre guise it is a great engine and powered my sabre scimitar with no problems at all. If you do go down this route check that the metro engine is the 16 valve version not the 8 valve version which went into some metros.

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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby bmcecosse » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:47 am

I don't believe 'cooling' was ever an issue with these engines whether sideways or not - although very definitely if allowed to overheat for any reason that does lead to terminal gasket failure . I believe early gaskets are also prone - but if changed to the later (v expensive) gasket with new bolts etc, some confidence can be had. Obviously there are variable valve timing versions around - which is a useful idea. Strange that steam engines had variable valve timing in the 18 hundreds and yet it took so long to develop the system for internal combustion engines.......
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby Alan Pearse » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:19 pm

bmcecosse, I agree the K series is hopeless, i've heard the ford zetec conversion is getting very popular as will be the early duratec's used in the first focus's, if your looking for a diesel, i know two vans that have been fitted with the 3.0 ltr turbo diesel from izusu, i'm pretty sure it's the engine thats fitted into modern version of the londaon black cab.
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby bmcecosse » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:24 pm

3 Litre Diesel ?? Do you think I own an oil well??? Smallest possible diesel - 1.4 would be good...... :wink:
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby MarkyB » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:57 pm

I've always liked the sound of the Lupo engine;
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby bmcecosse » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:19 pm

Absolutely. I see the new Kia has a 1.1 litre diesel and claims up to 80 mpg.......
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Re: engine upgrade.

Postby TomLS » Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:44 am

I can vouch for the 3 cylinder Lupo engine. It's a spritely little driver, and I believe it was the first commercially fitted engine to get over 100km/l!



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