not starting

[Stourbridge_moggy]

No nothing. The lights and bright and can hear the ticking when I try to turn over. I read somewhere that a look ignition light switch caused the problem. Do you think this might be the case?

[Stourbridge_moggy]

Jusr changex the ignition bulb that now works but still nothing. I found this loose wire but for the life of me dont know where it goes. (EDIT: I think this is the wire if I wanted a second horn?)

I've gone around cleaning all the connections

I'm really confused as to why it won't start. Yesterday I went out with a flat battery after being push started. When I got back my battery was well charged. Left it, came back to it an hour later. Started again, fine.

Go to start this morning and again nothing. I'd have thought it was the starter motor but it started yesterday, and the dynamo must work to charge a dead battery.

Who needs the Time crossword when you have this!

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[bmcecosse]

But did you disconnect the battery after yesterday's run -as advised earlier? And if you press the solenoid - does it turn over?

[Stourbridge_moggy]

Yes disconnected.

Solenoid is below, right? If so no nothing.

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[moggalot]

If nothing happens when you push the 'solenoid' switch under the bonnet - how about a jammed starter pinion?

[Stourbridge_moggy]

If nothing happens when you push the 'solenoid' switch under the bonnet - how about a jammed starter pinion?

If it was, how would I unjam it?

Also, It did start an hour or so after taking it for a drive the other night

[bmcecosse]

ok - that's not a solenoid - just a pull start switch, and recently there has been a spate of failures. Slightly scary - but you need to bridge across the two terminals with a good big screwdriver. There will be a few sparks, but there is no danger of electrocution - and see if the starter spins over when you do this. Just make sure the handbrake is on and the lever in neutral. Report back please!

[Stourbridge_moggy]

Oh. Wheres the solenoid? You meam to bridge the gap on the starter switch or solenoid? Thanks

[don58van]

The component in your photo above is a starter SWITCH*.

As suggested above, you could try bridging the connections with a large screwdriver or similar (taking precautions (out of gear, handbrake on)).

* a starter SOLENOID uses an electric coil to pull the contacts together. On the other hand, the switch uses a person-operated knob, and cable to pull the contacts together.

Regards
Don

[Stourbridge_moggy]

Thanks Don. So do you tthink its a problem with the pull switch not making contact?

[chesney]

The button for the starter switch is in between those two terminals.
I would try that first before bridging terminals.
Use a punch or similar if the button is a little stiff, saves thumb ache!

[Stourbridge_moggy]

The button for the starter switch is in between those two terminals.
I would try that first before bridging terminals.
Use a punch or similar if the button is a little stiff, saves thumb ache!

Thanks, will give it a go tonight.

What I don't understand is after a went for a drive. I left it an hour then I started up again fine, using the pull start.

[bmcecosse]

Dirty contacts getting damp/worse overnight...? Who knows ! Try pressing the pin by all means - but the real test is with the screwdriver......

[Stourbridge_moggy]

Dirty contacts getting damp/worse overnight...? Who knows ! Try pressing the pin by all means - but the real test is with the screwdriver......

I used the screwdriver and nothing at all, all I can hear is the fuel pump

[moggalot]

This seems to be drifting away from a charging problem to a starting problem (as per thread title!)
Sorry to be blunt, but could you confirm the following:
(1) Does the engine turn over when you pull the starter / depress the little button on the switch in the photo?
(2) If YES to above, does this happen every time you try it?
(3) If NO to (2) have you checked the tightness of the terminals on (a) the switch and (b) the starter motor. Also have you checked that there is an earth strap (ie a large braided cable) connecting the gearbox to the chassis? (and with good connections?)

[Stourbridge_moggy]

Sorry to be blunt,

Not at all, Im very grateful for help.

Nothing now happens when I pull the starter. Did once after a ride of an hour, then an hour of being left.

I removed both the terminals gave them a clean then refitted them yesterday.

I haven't checked the earth to the gearbox. EDIT: just looked at the gearbox earth and it seems strong

[Trickydicky]

To prove once and for all if the starter pull switch is faulty, disconnect each cable connected to it,connect a multimeter set to ohms to test for continuity to the two large terminals and pull the switch, do you get a reading or not?

[Stourbridge_moggy]

To prove once and for all if the starter pull switch is faulty, disconnect each cable connected to it,connect a multimeter set to ohms to test for continuity to the two large terminals and pull the switch, do you get a reading or not?

ok, thanks. will do tomorrow.

Would it be useful to go around the engine testing the same on different connections?

[bmcecosse]

Since nothing happened with the screwdriver - and we are assured the earths are all good - the fault MUST lie in the starter motor. Check the connection - but likely it needs to come out for inspection.

[Stourbridge_moggy]

I removed the gear box earth and cleaned it up. And got a multimeter on a few connections including the gearbox earth and get a strong reading..... saga continues.

I do believe it's the starter motor as I found a thread on here to test to starter by connecting a jump lead from the battery to the starter motor bolt and see if theres movement. Then again for the negative terminal to the starter motor body. Either way nothing, only a faint hissing sound. So it's coming out tomorrow.

Was thinking though... Wouldn't the engine start on the handle even if the starter was duff? It doesn't

Would a jammed start motor make a noise if it was trying to work or would it be silent?

I've noticed a couple of things... first, when I turn on the ignition the fuel pump constantly ticks. And then I pull the starter the oil light dims and the petrol gauge moved back to zero. And the coil is warm. Is this normal?