803 cc oil filter

Discuss mechanical problems here.
Forum rules
By using this site, you agree to our rules. Please see: Terms of Use
Post Reply
Clampit
Minor Friendly
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:14 am
Location: Maldon Essex
MMOC Member: No

803 cc oil filter

Post by Clampit »

P1030122.JPG
P1030122.JPG (1.58 MiB) Viewed 3062 times
803 cc Oil Filter.
Someone has fitted an Alternator to my 1955 Series 11 original 803 cc engine. Something I would not have done myself however, what concerns me is the engine oil filter. This is a screw-in type, which, simply screws into the engine block with a rubber-type washer. There is only less than a finger distance between the bottom of the Alternator and the top of the oil filter. This gives me the idea that maybe when fitting the Alternator, the oil filter was in the way or maybe not. Any idea’s please if this is correct.
Thanks, Geoff
myoldjalopy
Minor Legend
Posts: 2516
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:32 pm
Location: Kernow
MMOC Member: Yes

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by myoldjalopy »

Well, if there is enough clearance that the alternator is nor rubbing/rattling against the filter then I wouldn't worry. But, if I recall correctly, there should be some sort of spring clip that is screw-tightened around the filter to secure it properly.....
User avatar
geoberni
Minor Legend
Posts: 3561
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:19 am
Location: North Leicestershire
MMOC Member: Yes

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by geoberni »

As my '55 Series II doesn't have it's original 803, I've no experience of that engine, but I do know I'm now confused. I thought the 803 oil filter was the other side of the engine from the dynamo.... ??? :-? ??
803 engine.JPG
803 engine.JPG (201.8 KiB) Viewed 3043 times
803.jpg
803.jpg (456.5 KiB) Viewed 3042 times
Last edited by geoberni on Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Basil the 1955 series II

Image
philthehill
Minor Maniac
Posts: 10767
Joined: Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:05 pm
Location: Hampshire
MMOC Member: Yes

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by philthehill »

The clip and bracket are items Nos 82 - 86 in the attached link

https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-m ... 51-71.html

liammonty
Minor Legend
Posts: 1185
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:32 pm
Location: Dartmoor
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by liammonty »

Folks - you are all aware that the 803 had a screw-in metal filter as standard, right, and that the images shown are of different engines?

Geoberni has posted piccies of a 918cc sidevalve engine as fitted to the Series MM cars - rather different from the 803cc A-Series with by-pass filter, fitted to the Series II cars :wink:

Clampit - that is the standard oil filter for your 803 engine and is the original type - 'tis true though that it is missing the little clamp that stops it form coming loose, as posted by Phil.
User avatar
geoberni
Minor Legend
Posts: 3561
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:19 am
Location: North Leicestershire
MMOC Member: Yes

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by geoberni »

liammonty wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:31 pm
Geoberni has posted piccies of a 918cc sidevalve engine as fitted to the Series MM cars - rather different from the 803cc A-Series with by-pass filter, fitted to the Series II cars :wink:
See, I told you I knew nothing about the 803 engine :D :D :D :oops: :oops:
Basil the 1955 series II

Image
SteveClem
Minor Legend
Posts: 1904
Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:37 am
Location: Near Belper
MMOC Member: Yes

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by SteveClem »

My baby Austin a30 has a screw in oil filter. Easily sourced. I’d always assumed it was a modification, but perhaps not? Original 803 cc a-series.
liammonty
Minor Legend
Posts: 1185
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:32 pm
Location: Dartmoor
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by liammonty »

If it’s like the one pictured by the OP, it’s original. The full-flow type with the disposable paper element, mounted vertically, cane in with the 948 engine.
Clampit
Minor Friendly
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:14 am
Location: Maldon Essex
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by Clampit »

Thanks for the link Phil and for all your replies. I will lookout for a retaining clip.
As I said it is the original 803 cc engine but I think why I wondered about the fitting of the filter was that the oil light sometimes comes on with a hot engine on a slow tick over and I thought maybe the oil filter was restricting oil flow. I guess not.
The good news is that the engine sounds and runs like a sewing machine.
Thanks again
Declan_Burns
Minor Legend
Posts: 1956
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:32 am
Location: Düsseldorf, Germany
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by Declan_Burns »

Be sure to read through the problems with the 803 oil filter.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=66758&p=605193&hili ... 03#p605193
Contact me if any help is required
Regards
Declan
Attachments
803_Oil filter-page-001.jpg
803_Oil filter-page-001.jpg (996.54 KiB) Viewed 2971 times
803_Oil filter-page-002.jpg
803_Oil filter-page-002.jpg (570.82 KiB) Viewed 2971 times


Regards
Declan
Clampit
Minor Friendly
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:14 am
Location: Maldon Essex
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by Clampit »

Thank you Declan. Is this simple restrictor available in the UK?
How long ago was this and have there been any more reliable oil filters from the major spare part suppliers since this was known? Which make of filters should be avoided.
It is very important to me to keep my 803 cc engine going as it's part of the history of the car.
Regards and thanks for your time.
Geoff
Declan_Burns
Minor Legend
Posts: 1956
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:32 am
Location: Düsseldorf, Germany
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by Declan_Burns »

Geoff,
No they are not available in the UK. They are made in Switzerland by Rolf Corbat from the Swiss Morris Minor club. I was sure I had one here on stock but I have searched high and low but cannot find it. If you want I can ask Rolf to make one for you.

Regards
Declan


Regards
Declan
myoldjalopy
Minor Legend
Posts: 2516
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:32 pm
Location: Kernow
MMOC Member: Yes

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by myoldjalopy »

Possibly Club Spares has a 'proper job' NOS one or more? Would be worth checking.................
Clampit
Minor Friendly
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:14 am
Location: Maldon Essex
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by Clampit »

If you find it great. In the mean time, I will replace the oil switch and setup my smiths oil gauge.

Thanks for your help.
Declan_Burns
Minor Legend
Posts: 1956
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:32 am
Location: Düsseldorf, Germany
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by Declan_Burns »

Geoff,
When you have the oil pressure gauge fitted compare your pressure readings to the readings in the restrictor article. You will then see clearly if trouble is on the way.
PS-I still haven't found the elusive restrictor.
Regards
Declan


Regards
Declan
Edward1949
Minor Fan
Posts: 158
Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:21 pm
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by Edward1949 »

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OIL-FILTER-F ... SwiDFYOEpi

The description suggests that this has the original constrictor.
Clampit
Minor Friendly
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:14 am
Location: Maldon Essex
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by Clampit »

thank you all. I have just purchased the filter and will check it over. Declan the restrictor is probably in your nut N bolt draw.
Cheers all
Edward1949
Minor Fan
Posts: 158
Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:21 pm
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by Edward1949 »

Any updates? Was the ebay filter OK? Is it a simple matter of measuring the bore of the central feed tube?
Declan_Burns
Minor Legend
Posts: 1956
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:32 am
Location: Düsseldorf, Germany
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by Declan_Burns »

Edward,
As mentioned in Rolf Corbat's article the filter bore should be 1.5mm.
Regards
Declan


Regards
Declan
Clampit
Minor Friendly
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:14 am
Location: Maldon Essex
MMOC Member: No

Re: 803 cc oil filter

Post by Clampit »

The ebay (BULL MOTIF) 803cc oil filter coded GFE107 looks just like the other oil filters I have purchased directly from this Company.
The size IN (for want of a better term or the white plastic insert), suggests a little larger than 2mm but not as great as 2.5mm so, too large by the article. My method of measurement was to fit a 2 and 2.5mm drill bit end into the hole. I think this should be close enough
Bull Motif has chosen not to reply to my email on the subject. Oh, I can see why now, the story continues to find another filter.
Regards and thanks
Post Reply