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Braking cylinder any set to buy?

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Good morning
As I have not been using it for too long, my Morris Minor Traveler (1970) wheels are blocked.
Drums @ shoes are fine but the brake cylinders have to be replaced (front & rear).
The master cylinder might need to be changed also.
Could any of you advise me about what spares I would need in addition of the cylinders, i.e bolts, nuts, flexible ?
As I live on the continent, I need to order through the web.
Are there some complete sets available at some shops ?
Many thanks in advance for your help
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All the parts you require are available from ESM Morris.
Here is the basic kit.
https://www.morrisminorspares.com/brake ... up-p829400

https://www.morrisminorspares.com/brake ... ed-p829360

https://www.morrisminorspares.com/brake ... al-p829443

https://www.morrisminorspares.com/brake ... ad-p829444

https://www.morrisminorspares.com/brake ... le-p829350

Make sure that your local regulations allow for the fitting of copper brake lines. It is known that some local regulations allow only for the fitting of the original steel brake lines.
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Are there some complete sets available at some shops ?

I expect the specialist suppliers could sell you everything you might possibly need - and a lot more than you actually need.

A parts book would show all the parts in the system. Your choice as to how many of those might be worth ordering on the off-chance of needing them.

Personally I would inspect everything and order accordingly.
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The parts shown in the link Phil posted gives you good options, and ESM are a reputable Company.

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ESM are indeed a good company but the cheaper parts they offer are cheap and nasty. The complete kit that Phil's link shows is a good example of this - with pattern cylinders and cheap lining material which will never give decent braking. ESM's website also shows this as "out of stock" which makes it rather pointless. Personally I would only use the more expensive original type cylinders on the front along with Mintex shoes :wink:
The OP says that his brake shoes are OK anyway.
It is probably worthwhile ordering new bleed nipples, flexible hoses and some metal brake pipes (if you can't make your own) because of the cost and inconvenience of shipping them later if they are required. I haven't generally needed new fixing screws though.
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Here is a link to the better quality brake sets.
https://www.morrisminorspares.com/brake ... up-p829404
Personally I would be changing the whole lot cylinders and brake linings. Then you know what you have as a base line.

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Hi Benoit.
If the front cylinders are to be replaced why not consider fitting a disc brake conversion. I fitted a set on my 1969 Traveller about 25 years ago. I also I changed the rear cylinders, flexible hoses, master cylinder and fitted a Cupronickel brake pipe set. To this I added silicone brake fluid and have had no problems since.
I consider the brakes performance to be more important than engine power.
Good luck.
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King Kenny wrote: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:00 pm why not consider fitting a disc brake conversion.
By all means consider options, but I don't see a couple of hours changing the front cylinders as a comparable action to undertaking a Disc Conversion. That's not a couple of hours and certainly not a similar price.
A bit like comparing Apples and Pears, they're both fruit, but it depends which you want... :wink:


I totally agree with this.....
oliver90owner wrote: Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:46 am Personally I would inspect everything and order accordingly.
Always worth inspecting and seeing if they are totally seized.
Depending on age and how long left for, often operating the brakes with the drums removed will pop the pistons out and they can be cleaned up. If the car has Original cylinders, then replacement seal kits are available.
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ManyMinors wrote: Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:54 am Personally I would only use the more expensive original type cylinders on the front along with Mintex shoes
Not wishing to hijack this thread, but could anyone suggest where I might get a set of brake shoes (Riley 1.5) re-lined with Mintex linings?
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Try these people:-

https://www.biggred.co.uk/

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Many thanks Phil, I'll give them a call.
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Good morning
First of all, many thanks to you all for your responses: highly appreciated as showing a great passionate community.
After reading your advices, I am heading to
Thorough inspection and no hesitation for complete set, as individual parts ordering & shipments would end up withe additional cost and wasted time.
No disk conversion, as tooling and « savoir-faire » would be too much for me….
Go with originals and best quality items.
Many thanks for your help, I will now organize the purchasing and do the change in the coming months. I will keep you posted.
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philthehill wrote: Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:48 pm Try these people:-

https://www.biggred.co.uk/
No good I'm afraid Phil. They don't do shoe linings, saying 'It's a bit of an old trade; don't even know where to suggest'. Any other thoughts?
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Myrtles Man wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:47 pm They don't do shoe linings, saying 'It's a bit of an old trade; don't even know where to suggest'. Any other thoughts?
Where are you?
I did an internet search for "brake shoe relining services" and several came up. So probably someone near you.
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As above - places don't seem difficult to find on the internet! I searched now and many results came up, the first of which is:

https://villiersservices.co.uk/index.ph ... cts_id=146
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Well, yes gentlemen, I'd already tried two of the re-lining concerns who come up on a Google search, including the Villiers people, neither of whom saw fit to reply to my emails, hence my enquiry of anyone on this board who is able to give the benefit of their personal experience in the matter.
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If you cannot find a re-lining provider why not use bonded linings?
Whilst in the early days bonded linings used to come unstuck from the shoe on a regular basis bonded shoes these days seem to be more than capable of doing the job.

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As a matter of fact Phil the new ones that I fitted when I recently converted to the Riley brakes are bonded linings but, so far at least, their stopping performance is rather underwhelming, which is why I picked up on the recommendations for Mintex linings posted on here. My idea is/was to have the original shoes that came with the brakes re-lined with Mintex abrasive material, on the assumption that the bonded linings I acquired (from a vendor on eBay) are probably the sort of inferior stuff that the Mintex recommenders dismiss as not really good enough.
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I might suggest that the modern linings are designed for modern vehicles - meaning those with servos fitted as standard.

Back in my younger days, disc pads which were fitted to non-servo systems were, to say the least, a bit inferior. My Cortina’s brakes faded terribly if used with gusto in successive rapid, heavy use. They simply overheated. Pads from the servo systems required very heavy pedal pressure, but those, used with a servo, were much better than the original pads with no servo fitted.

Fitting a servo allowed different pads to be used that were far better in this respect. My Escort, when I converted from drums to servo assisted discs inherited the brakes from a Corsair GT. Stopping power was transformed.

That experience would suggest you need servo-assistance to get the best out of these modern linings which seem to have provided poor performance.
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I must admit that I'd already been thinking along the same lines but, if possible, would prefer to avoid all the faff of fitting a servo and the high regard in which Mintex linings appear to be held seemed to offer a better solution.
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