paint, to buy or not to buy?

Post by **dave1949** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:07 pm

i need to spray 4 wings and other bits on a 1970 traveller restoration,
been advised if working at home in garage to go cellulose route,i have the equipment and have diy spraying skills.
am i going in the right direction before i spend £150plus
they claim a guaranteed colour match from a door i need to take in.
dave

Post by **bmcecosse** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:15 pm

There was a thread on all this just recently - here it is http://www.morrisminoroc.co.uk/index.ph ... ic&t=15398

Take great care with celly - I only do this outdoors now in good weather , one panel at a time because the fumes are both toxic and highly flammable.

Post by **dave1949** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:49 pm

many thanks for details of thread have read with great interest.
after reading comments have spoken to my supplier who informs celly available till end 2007 after that to people restoring motor cycles, vintage and classic cars as long as you sign a disclaimer. do i still go celly @£23. 52 plus vat per litre?

Post by **chickenjohn** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:59 pm

Yes, Celly is cheaper than 2-pack, its safer to use at home (still harmfull and flammable, wear a mask- use in well ventialted area etc!!)

Its also easier to use than 2-pack. i've sprayed both and celly is much more forgiving for the amateur, plus it looks right out of the gun if you have good technique.

Post by **paulhumphries** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:30 pm

This thread has reminded me to get some paint (Almond Green) "in stock" whilst it's still easilly available.
Anyone tell me the shelf life of cellulose paint in a sealed, and unopened since mixed / purchase, tin ?

Paul Humphries

Post by **RussLCV** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:41 pm

I go the synthetic route......................I use oxide so celly will react, I have ben using a paint from Jawels in the Midlands. Matched form a swatch, just fantastic stuff and cheap too.

Paid £50 odd for 2.5 of matched colour, 5 litre primer and 5 litres thinners

visit my site photos page for some of the results under 'Russ BMF'

Post by **jonathon** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:36 pm

Paul, the safe working life of celly is 12 months, bodyshops will not warranty anything older than 6 months if you are lucky.
Must say spraying celly and 2K is no different in my experience, its more involved to mix and is more more expensive but you do need less of it.

Post by **bmcecosse** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:04 pm

Russell - that sounds a good deal - how does it differ from cellulose paint - and is it v slow to dry ?

Post by **RussLCV** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:08 pm

It does take longer to dry, after 1 hour touch dry depends on how warm it is. I have just painted a bonnet and teh shine is really good too. My van is painted in synthetic inside and 2K outer! Thats what I intend to do with the pick-up as well

Synthetic after all is just an enamel, but was used originally as well. Also note older shades can not be mixed but JAWELS will colour match from a a swatch

Post by **bmcecosse** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:52 pm

Does it spray ok ? And have you a lead to Jawels - the internet brings up all manner of things !!! - but none to do with paint.

Post by **dave1949** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:59 pm

guys,
thread seems to be loosing my ? i was planning to purchase celly paint tommorrow and need to remove a door for match of paint.
however obviously a subject worth discussion
cheers dave

Post by **RussLCV** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:02 pm

BMCecosse

Visit my site (see link) and go to photos 'Russ resto BMF' you will see teh finnish or I can e-mail some images if you want to e-mail me

http://www.jawel.co.uk/aboutus.htm

http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZeQ2d ... dequipment

Post by **alex_holden** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:04 pm

Can't they match the colour from something a bit smaller and easier to remove like a sill finisher rail or glovebox lid?

Post by **jonathon** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:06 pm

Dave, yes,if you must spray in a residential area than the route you are taking is the correct one, you might do just as well by taking a glove box lid instead of the door if they are a good match.
Remember to polish up or even T cut the panel before giving it to them, just to make sure its a good solid colour. The area you paint will look very different when you spray them as it is new and fresh, ideally you need to blend the doors into the wings, but I suppose it depends on one how fussy you are and your abilities in spray craft.

Post by **RussLCV** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:07 pm

Some images

Synthetic primer

top coat and this is dry!

Post by **RussLCV** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:10 pm

They can match from a swatch card.............thats what used

Post by **dave1949** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:34 pm

thanks guys for replies,
think i will go celly route, glove box not an option i removed it yonks ago and tried an aerosal @ £6.50, big learning curve?
door is the best option for colour match i think?
once again thanks for everyones advice and comments
dave

Post by **chickenjohn** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:58 am

Good choice Dave, you cannot use 2-pack unless you have air fed mask and an extracted spray booth- its that poisonous!

Celly is the way to go for the home sprayer.

Post by **bmcecosse** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:53 am

Boot lid would be much lighter than a complete door!
Thanks Russ for leads and pics - looks shiney enough to me. I guess biggest problem is keeping dust off when drying.

Post by **dave1949** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:14 pm

bmcecosse wrote:Boot lid would be much lighter than a complete door!
Thanks Russ for leads and pics - looks shiney enough to me. I guess biggest problem is keeping dust off when drying.

Boot lid would be much lighter than a complete door!

if thats a tip for me cheers if not sorry,but mines a traveller!