welding fitting wings

[mixerman22]

hi everbody not been on here for a while but brought the moggy out of the garage (been there 5 years) and i am thinking of putting her back on the road but it needs 4 new wings i was going to do it myself but on taking the rear wing of the arch where the wing is bolted to is full of holes and so is the other side but the inner wings r ok i have stripped all the carpets and the floor pan is in good condition so i wondered what the cost would be and a good man to do the job that knows about minors (notts area) also paint job thanks phil

[les]

There is a place in Derbyshire but maybe too far for you, I'm not clued up that far North, hopefully others will suggest an alternative. Regarding the cost, it's impossible to say without seeing the extent of work, and how far back the rot goes, even garage prices will vary. A quote from where you end up taking the car is the only way to be sure.

[mixerman22]

hi les thanks 4 that i i see if i can find him on the net ive put some photos on

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sorry they r upside down

[Propshaft]

Hi just doing same job myself , wish they were as good as yours, were about sin Notts are you I am near Newark

[mixerman22]

hi propshaft
thanks 4 the reply i live in arnold notts as a hole the body work is in good nick but it must have had new wings at sometime in its life because its got the new lights fitted
i.e indicator and lights together 63 onwards as mine when it left the factory had a single light and semaphores (1960)
thank phil

[ManyMinors]

As you say, it is almost certain to have had the wings replaced at least once before - in fact I can see the later exposed join on the front wings. Bearing in mind that a set of good quality Heritage wings is now about £1000, I'd expect the total bill from any garage to be at least double that. I had to replace all that fixing flange on my own saloon and it isn't a quick job.
You'd need to get some estimates from repairers but if the car is good in other respects it should be well worthwhile. I guess you'll need to overhaul the brakes and other things too if it has been standing that long.
It looks a half-decent car though I must say

[mixerman22]

many minors
thanks 4 the info i have done the brakes they just wanted stripping and cleaning i put new shoes on all round when we put away i have checked all the inner wings they seem ok the floor pan is good and i have been round underneath with a hammer and tapped every were and it seems ok i did all that first just incase it wasnt worth it thanks again

[mixerman22]

i have know took both rear wings off now and the near-side has seen better days the arch has completley gone were the bolts go in i think i have seen somewhere were u buy a pre-fabicated arch that replaces the rotton one is this correct

[shoebone]

The major suppliers sell repair panels ......http://www.morrisminorspares.com/search ... ing-repair

[mogbob]

Hi Phil ,
shoebone has flagged up the general link to ESM , here's the exact link for the repair panel for the rear of the car.

http://www.morrisminorspares.com/search/rp159r ….. the other side is RP159L.
Your inner wings from the piccies seem to be ok but if this is not the case then they do a Rear End -Rear Inner Wing repair RP127R and RP127L. Note this does not cover the whole wing and basically covers the area mirrored by the smallest part of RP159R & RP159L.

You'll be needing , I suggest , a wing fixing kit for each side ( fresh nuts , etc. to replace the rusty ones ) and possibly new Wing piping ( colour co-ordinated to your car ) as that tends to have lost it's suppleness over the years. Caged nuts can be bought separately ,if the repairer is only going to fabricate parts ( rather than replace the whole section of the arch ).

Ensure your entrusted garage removes the rear seat and trim , electric cables , etc. behind the wing fixing area.Stray splatter from the welding process could also ruin your headlining, paint and glass. A shield / protection of some sort , to stop this happening , would be a wise precaution. Flying molten metal does tend to burn through things. The car battery and specifically an Alternator , if fitted , should be disconnected ( electrically ) before welding starts.
Bob

[mixerman22]

thanks 4 that mogbob i looked at them pre-fab arches do they come with the captive nuts installed or have got to buy some?the captive nuts in the boot r ok its just were the captive nuts go inside the body (what a crap idea)

[philthehill]

Whilst I agree it is not the best of ideas - but if you do not have the captive nuts how are you going to fit and tighten the bolts/nuts especially those at the lower front of the rear wing?

Phil

[mixerman22]

hi all
got the front n/s wing off some holes have shown there ugly faces how does that door hinge piller come off or do u just change the front bit
thanks phil

[panky]

Clean up the joints and you should be able to see where the spot welds are. Drill them through and you should be able to separated the backing panel from the hinge panel.
Here it is with the backing panel removed, mines in a slightly worse state than yours

[ManyMinors]

I would do almost anything to NOT have to replace the door pillar itself. You can purchase the closing panel which is the rusted part in your picture and repair the inner wing "flitch" panel. That is what I would prefer - otherwise you will have a very big job on your hands and almost certainly find it difficult to align the door correctly again.

[mogbob]

I'd endorse ManyMinors sentiments.You'll need this repair panel - not a fortune - but difficult to fabricate so will save a lot of time trying.
http://www.morrisminorspares.com/body-i ... h-p828417

A Flat inner wing rear section is available : - but a bit more expensive. It does include the two lower captive nuts. http://www.morrisminorspares.com/body- ... e-p828571 ( for wing fitting ).
Given the extent of the rust on your car , you would waste an awful lot of the repair panel...surplus to requirements . It is not a large piece to fabricate from scratch .So long as you take care on the fixing of two captive nut cages ( and don't forget to put the nuts in the cage BEFORE welding to the reverse side ). It's do'able but the positions are crucial for a good wing fit when it all goes back together. Mark datum point above the repair on good metal and then cut away the rot below. You will need each surface i.e. face metal sheet and captive nut cages to be really clean , to put down a decent plug weld.
Your decision will be based on your fabrication skills and how much money is still left in your wallet after the Christmas expenses !
Bob

[don58van]

I'd endorse ManyMinors sentiments.You'll need this repair panel - not a fortune - but difficult to fabricate so will save a lot of time trying.
http://www.morrisminorspares.com/body-i ... h-p828417

I bought one of these. It was a very poor fit. I tried fettling it to improve the fit. I ended up chopping it up to make other repair pieces. This was about 5 years ago and I can't say whether they have improved (or worsened).

I obtained a NOS A-pillar closing panel attached to the flat panel for the rear section of the inner guard. I cut the flat panel off and used the A-pillar closing panel, which was a very good fit.

FYI
Don

[mixerman22]

thanks 4 all your comments i am in process of taking the o/s wing off next (cant wait to c what thats like )if it is simalar i think i will have to take to be done by a pro as all 4 corners need some welding doing i.e replacing panels all i need now is transport to take it to a garage when it is ready ££££££! cancel xmas!!

[ManyMinors]

I would have said that level of rust is no more than any other Minor - fairly typical and better than many. If the estimates you get for repairs are too high for you to justify, somebody would buy that to restore. It looks pretty good on top .
Unfortunately it is never easy moving a car from place to place once it cannot be driven. Do you have a car with a towbar? If so it might be possible to hire a trailer and tow your Morris to 2 or 3 garages for estimates?

[mixerman22]

Hi all
i now have completed taking the 4th wing off and some were along the line its had a bodge job done (see photo)but not to worry its all got to be done i have talked to a friend of mine who knows someone who has done a few minors so hopefully he can give a rough quote on the job entailed renewal of wings i have noticed the steep price of heritage wings compered to patten ones r the pattern ones that bad or is it the quality or bad fit?i will keep u posted on what happens next thanks 4 all your info now its all down to the welder !!