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Fitting rear seat belt

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I have no doubt this has been asked before, so can anyone point me to the relevant thread or tell me how to fit rear seat belts in the back of my four door ? In particular how to fit the belt reel to the rear parcel shelf safely as it's rather thin metal and I'm not sure if it's strong enough ? I want to get this car on the road for the summer (see picture of the green car in signature) and want to fit a child seat in the back so I can indoctrinate my two year old into the world of moggies :-).
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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If youve not ordered the kit yet I would ask the supplier which bolts nuts etc come with the kit first.
I orderd a set and had to reorder the mounting plates that are shown inside the wings on the photos shown in the thread above, which resulted in extra carriage costs.
There was an assumption that I was fitting to a vehicle with tapped holes.
Also as has been suggested to me, make sure the bolts fitted to the transmission tunnel are short so they dont foul the propshaft.
And when tightening the bolts you need elasticated arms or a good friend to hold the spanner in the cab for you.
Also If you dont have one you will need a 14-15mm dia HSS drill for clearance holes to fit the bushes supplied with thekit.
Having said all that, its a satisfying job.
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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So how did you fit the belt reel and where ? On the underside of the parcel shelf or somewhere in the boot :-?
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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iandromiskin wrote:So how did you fit the belt reel and where ? On the underside of the parcel shelf or somewhere in the boot :-?
Contact Dean on that, I fitted the static type old fashioned belts, the fitment of the wing and transmission tunnel are the same near as damn it, but I fitted static lugs to the metal plate behind the seat so I cant answer that one.
His photos/script give a decent description, but why dont you pm him for another photo perhaps?
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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The real is the other side of this nut in the boot.

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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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Ahhhhhh...... The penny drops.
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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How did you cut the slot in the parcel shelf ? The window of my car is still in.
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From below ??
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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Never thought of that....

Few more questions - how or what tools did you use to cut the slot and do you have any more pictures (or does anyone) showing the belt reel bolted to the back of the seat ? I just want to see what way it is orienated as I had a go with a belt reel in my shed earlier today in the vertical or similar position and the belt just kept jamning/locking when I tried to pull it.

Another one I just thought of - if I was to make my own strengthening plates instead what size or grade/thickness steel should I use ?
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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iandromiskin wrote:Never thought of that....

Few more questions - how or what tools did you use to cut the slot and do you have any more pictures (or does anyone) showing the belt reel bolted to the back of the seat ? I just want to see what way it is orienated as I had a go with a belt reel in my shed earlier today in the vertical or similar position and the belt just kept jamning/locking when I tried to pull it.

Another one I just thought of - if I was to make my own strengthening plates instead what size or grade/thickness steel should I use ?
If its the plate shown in the thread photos you mean, i.e. the nut welded to the plate, they only cost £1.65 so you may be better buying them old bean :D
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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iandromiskin wrote:
how or what tools did you use to cut the slot
A row of holes drilled through the shelf, then filed into one slot. Takes ages and needs patience.

iandromiskin wrote: and do you have any more pictures (or does anyone) showing the belt reel bolted to the back of the seat ? I just want to see what way it is orienated as I had a go with a belt reel in my shed earlier today in the vertical or similar position and the belt just kept jamning/locking when I tried to pull it.
There should be a knob on the side of the real with an arrow on, the arrow must be pointing exactly vertical. When tightened the reel must be dead horizontal. The reel will then not lock when being pulled around the body. You'll find the reel locks under your test conditions as the reel keeps moving slightly as it isn't fastened to anything solid... like the car. :)
iandromiskin wrote:Another one I just thought of - if I was to make my own strengthening plates instead what size or grade/thickness steel should I use ?
I bought mine from ESM, cheap as chips to be honest. ;)
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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Bit the bullet and bought the front and rear seat belt kit for the four door, plus loads of mounting plates. However I am a bit daunted and confused by the various bits (bolts, washers etc) that come in the box as I have no idea of what bolt goes where or with what fitting. Needless to say the so called instructions or information sheet is no help.

Does anyone have any wise words of wisdom or can tell me what bolt/fitting goes where and in what order ???

Don't plan on fitting them immediately as I'm fixing the boot at the minute, but it's next on the list.
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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This is the item in question. Does anyone have any guide as to which parts go where ???

Front Belt -
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Rear Belt -
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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Try these two threads, they have pics
Front, http://www.mmoc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=43986

Rear, http://www.mmoc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=46292

The problem, (if you can call it that) is that in the kit you are supplied with brackets and bolts to suit many different setups, when eventually fitted you will end up with bits left over. My only other advice I can offer if you are unsure is to take a look at a modern cars seat belts and try and copy that setup with the bits supplied.

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Managed to get some time to fit the seatbelts during the week. Starting with the rear before moving on to the fronts. I managed to mount the real on the back of the seat as shown in previous threads and cut a hole in the parcel shelf for the belt and then bolted it to the bottom at the wheel arch. Hope I've done it correctly. I want to bring my 3 year old son in the car on a booster seat so they need to be correct.


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Belt real mounted on the back of the rear seat. There is of course a reinforced bolt/plate on the reverse.


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Hole drilled for buckle but have to wait for help with this one as its a two person job.


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Real bolted to the inner wheel arch. Want to take another look at this as it doesn't appear to be right to me. Not sure, it probably is and I'm just fretting.


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Captive bolt in the inner wheel arch. I put Dum-Dum between the plate and the arch to prevent moisture etc getting in. Plan to give it a coat of stone chip or sealer later to totall protect it.


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Slot marked out in parcel shelf for cut.


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Cutting done with a small hand held grinder. Just have to find something to line the edges with but I presume with the seat back in place the real will be higher up and easier to pull/use. I'll dry fit it again on thursday and see.


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What is the general thoughts on how to mount the real ? Mount it to the seat back and cut a hole as I have done (following previous postings) or mount it to the parcel shelf as illustrated (with reinforcing plates underneath) ??? Which is safer, more effective and ensures the real does its job in a bump/crash ???
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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You've done everything exactly how mine was fitted. Congratulations! You even made a nice looking slot in the parcel shelf.



The reel should be fitted inside the boot. Now I can't remember if you can remove the metal buckle (the silver piece that clicks into plastic clasp, if you can take this off do so as it may be tight fitting it through the parcel shelf slot). Then pass the black metal piece on the end of the belt, through the parcel shelf, then refit the silver buckle. Bolt the black metal piece at the end of the belt into the wheel arch hole, then you just need to fit the plastic clasp that bolts to the tunnel.

Does that make sense????

Oh yes, and definately line the edges of the metal slot, just in case it freys your belt.

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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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Dean wrote:You've done everything exactly how mine was fitted. Congratulations! You even made a nice looking slot in the parcel shelf.
Cool. Thanks. That is reassuring :D

Dean wrote:Does that make sense????
Ehhh. No, not really. Do you mean how to get the buckle through the slot ?? If so I've already made the slot big enough to get the whole lot through the slot as the buckle does not come off the belt. Is that what you meant ??

Cool looking things. Where did you get them ?
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iandromiskin wrote: Do you mean how to get the buckle through the slot ?? If so I've already made the slot big enough to get the whole lot through the slot as the buckle does not come off the belt. Is that what you meant ??

Yes, that's exactly right, you obviously have lots more foresight than me lol!

iandromiskin wrote: Cool looking things. Where did you get them ?
From here, but looking at your parcel shelf, like mine they may be too big. This is why I got a mate to knock some up out of alloy.

http://www.alloycarparts.co.uk/index.php?option=mgrover

Do you have some spare door rubber? What you need to do, once fitted is simulate the belt being pulled through across someones chest, and just be sure with yourself it isn't snagging on any shards of steel. Otherwise if used frequently your belt will get damaged.
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Re: Fitting rear seat belt

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Dean wrote:Do you have some spare door rubber?
Thought of that and cut some window rubber to fit and experimented - This would work ? Looks untidy but with the upright seat in place your never going to see it and the important thing is to prevent damage to the belt in the long run. (PS -sorry, forgot to mention, that is window rubber not door rubber. I have a spare car or two in the shed, so I'll see what I can canabilise. It is much thinner after all).

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PS. This is the car they are being fitted too. Only getting around to fitting the bits now. Typical. Hope (WANT) to have it back on the road in 2013. Have been unable to get to any car shows since my son was born (3 soon) so this is the motivation for getting seat belts etc fitted.

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