what weight and size of caravan can i pull behind a moggie
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what weight and size of caravan can i pull behind a moggie
what sizs can i pull behind a moggie with a 1098 and standuard brakes
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Did you pass your driving test before 1997?
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We have had to deal with towing weights through work and its not as complicated as people make it sound.
Physically your trailer / caravan sould be no more than 85% of your unladen tow vehicle. I believe a general figure for the weight of a Moggie is around 800kg's - therefore the trailer can be not alot more than 680 -700 kg's? which is Eriba Puck and T@B caravans territory
As far as licences go those who passed their driving test before January 1st 1997 have no restrictions and can tow freely.
Those of us who passed after January 1st 1997 CAN tow a caravan, up to a weight of 750 kg's BUT this is not the absolute limit:
From the DVLA website:
I hope that helps?
Physically your trailer / caravan sould be no more than 85% of your unladen tow vehicle. I believe a general figure for the weight of a Moggie is around 800kg's - therefore the trailer can be not alot more than 680 -700 kg's? which is Eriba Puck and T@B caravans territory
As far as licences go those who passed their driving test before January 1st 1997 have no restrictions and can tow freely.
Those of us who passed after January 1st 1997 CAN tow a caravan, up to a weight of 750 kg's BUT this is not the absolute limit:
From the DVLA website:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Dr ... G_10013073Category B: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM (Maximum Authorised Mass) and with up to eight passenger seats.
Category B vehicles may be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM.
I hope that helps?
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The owners' manual for a 1098 specifies a towing weight of 610.5kg and kerbside weight for a late saloon is around 760kg, making the ratio about 80%. I think you'll struggle to find a caravan that is less than 600kg when loaded with your holiday stuff. I know I've failed.
However: the idea of a 600kg trailer and standard Minor brakes terrifies me. I guess it depends on the car's load, but with four people and luggage in the car plus a 600kg trailer you could be looking at a gross train weight about a ton and three-quarters. I'd be holidaying in East Anglia or Netherlands - no hills.
However: the idea of a 600kg trailer and standard Minor brakes terrifies me. I guess it depends on the car's load, but with four people and luggage in the car plus a 600kg trailer you could be looking at a gross train weight about a ton and three-quarters. I'd be holidaying in East Anglia or Netherlands - no hills.
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85% is the recommended maximum for safe towing / novices to towing. The maximum is 100% or maximum stated in the handbook, whichever is the lower.
But as JimK has said, you must also look at max train weight which is stamped on modern cars but not our beloved Moggies. Also bear in mind this is simply a comparison of car weight and trailer weight and takes no account of the cars ability to pull the load.
Also, pulling a load around with a tractor & trailer at 35mph bears no resemblance to towing a large winbreak around at 50-60mph.
There are also Freedom caravans around at the 600Kg limit but as has been said, the camping load soon fills that up.
But as JimK has said, you must also look at max train weight which is stamped on modern cars but not our beloved Moggies. Also bear in mind this is simply a comparison of car weight and trailer weight and takes no account of the cars ability to pull the load.
Also, pulling a load around with a tractor & trailer at 35mph bears no resemblance to towing a large winbreak around at 50-60mph.
There are also Freedom caravans around at the 600Kg limit but as has been said, the camping load soon fills that up.
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Hi all
I am very interesting about this new topic.I own Bug + eriba Puck (-500kg)
But I think: it's more engine power that brakes ? Puck have inertia break.
Last year ,at Minors On Tour I saw 4 Minors+caravan.But I don't know if Mod?
So at National ???.Anyone photos ?
In Great Britain ,are there light oldtimer caravans?
Dan ( 64 traveller )
I am very interesting about this new topic.I own Bug + eriba Puck (-500kg)
But I think: it's more engine power that brakes ? Puck have inertia break.
Last year ,at Minors On Tour I saw 4 Minors+caravan.But I don't know if Mod?
So at National ???.Anyone photos ?
In Great Britain ,are there light oldtimer caravans?
Dan ( 64 traveller )
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Yes, I saw some small caravans and trailer tents at the National. I liked the look of a cute 1960s wooden caravan called the Nutshell, painted in the same colour scheme as the traveller towing it. I'm not sure it was long enough to hold a decent sized bed though, and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be space for a kitchen, toilet, water heater, TV, etc. One of the bigger caravans had a sign on the back saying something like "Classic tow car - please be patient."
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Dale ask Watling Engineering they can probably tell you the exact limit.
http://www.watling-towbars.co.uk/
And they are on your doorstep
http://www.watling-towbars.co.uk/
And they are on your doorstep
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Alex, will that be this one?alex_holden wrote:Yes, I saw some small caravans and trailer tents at the National. I liked the look of a cute 1960s wooden caravan called the Nutshell, ...."
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/20 ... good-times
A lady I spoke to said that the owner was 6'3" and there is a single bed and stove in there. I had a look through the window and it was basic but served his needs, an awning always helps.
There were several old folding style caravans there, that I didn't photograph towed by moggies, they had a roof shaped a bit like an upturned flat boat hull.
My father had one a few years back which he intended to convert to go on the back of an Isuzu pick-up, but never got round to it (they're rare, those round tuits).
The fibre glass walls folded out and were fastened to the roof with leather belts.
I've toyed with the idea of making a traveller trailer as a trailer tent, but as it's taken me 4 years on Molly so far, I think it'll be a while before anything like that happens.
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Yes, that's the one. It didn't look over 6 feet long but I must admit I didn't get my tape measure out or peer through the windows! ;)Alex, will that be this one?
If you're going to go to the trouble of pitching an awning, why not pitch a big frame tent instead and do away with the hassle and expense of a caravan? If necessary, you could carry the tent and camping gear in a small unbraked trailer.
Great minds think alike! I was looking at Neil's cool camping trailer that he made from the back of a saloon with a camping stove and sink in the boot. If you started with the back of a traveller instead and invented some kind of clever folding arrangement to enlarge the interior like a trailer tent...I've toyed with the idea of making a traveller trailer as a trailer tent
Jonathon had a Traveller that would have been ideal as a donor for a project like this because it had a good back end but a badly fire-damaged engine bay. It's a pipe dream though - I'd get lynched if I brought another project car home.
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You'd be better off with a trailer tent.
Some of the older ones have the option to open like a small clamshell and the jobs done. Awning and extra space is optional. Perfect for quick stop overs.
Most are similar to folding caravans but without the weight of a hard roof and plastic folding sides.
Theres really no effort or time involved in pitching a small one. Youd be mad not to pick one over a caravan imho.
Some of the older ones have the option to open like a small clamshell and the jobs done. Awning and extra space is optional. Perfect for quick stop overs.
Most are similar to folding caravans but without the weight of a hard roof and plastic folding sides.
Theres really no effort or time involved in pitching a small one. Youd be mad not to pick one over a caravan imho.
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With a trailer tent or a folding caravan you are a lot more limited about how you can stow stuff in them while on the move compared to a caravan or camper with fixed walls. Every method has its advantages and disadvantages. My parents have gone through a tent, a trailer tent, several caravans of increasing size and luxury, a static caravan on Anglesey, a classic VW camper van, a larger Renault Trafic camper van, and now they are back to a mobile caravan again. Most recently dad has had an electric mover fitted to it so he can wheel it up and down the drive from a radio control box.
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