Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

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Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby Proper Noise » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:39 pm

Hello,
I'm currently restoring a 1957 Turner 803. It's my understanding that many
MM parts are used on this car. Specifically I'm looking for an original
white/ivory rimmed steering wheel, a set of 15 inch Rubery Owen road wheels, and an
original temperature gauge (X20933/130). There's some other small bits that may be
required, but those are the main items I'm in search of. If anyone in the
club has these available for sale I would be very interested in purchasing
them.

Thank you!
Ed

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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby olderisbetter » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:35 am

Hi Ed, are you in touch with the Turner owners club? I went to a small meet a few months back at Bantock park they seemed like a helpful bunch of guys. http://www.turnersportscars.co.uk/
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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby ManyMinors » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:30 am

Lovely cars 8) . Unfortunately although Morris Minor parts may well have been used on your Turner, Morris Minors were not produced with ivory coloured steering wheels, 15" road wheels or temperature gauges so this forum might not be the place for those particular items.
Did Turner really use the 803cc engine?! It was a pretty useless lump (weak and underpowered) even in the little Morris - I certainly wouldn't have had one in a sportscar! The Minor had discarded the 803cc engine during 1956 when the vastly improved 948cc engine became available. I assumed that this is what powered the Turner.

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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby RobThomas » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:58 am

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I have some 4.5 inch PCD 15 inch wheels here. A photo of the steering wheel would help but they are mostly a dark colour, unless you don't mind a leather 'glove' made for it. As for the temp gauge, if it is the cream coloured one then I've got one here on my car and have only ever seen one other for sale. hard to find. Easy enough to get a replica made.
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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby RobThomas » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:11 pm

Are you referring to Series MM or Morris Minor? Just twigged that it is probably the latter, in which case the wheel PCD will be 4 inch rather than 4.5 and the dials will be the black or gold faced ones. A picture or two will be great, if you can find any.
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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby philthehill » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:00 pm

Originally used the 803cc engine then latterly the 948cc engine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Sports_Cars


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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby Proper Noise » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:02 pm

Yes, well connected with the Turner club. They are a great bunch but it is rare for someone to attempt a concours restoration on an early Turner so many of these questions have remained unanswered.

I've been led to believe these parts were sourced from early cars, MM included (nothing past series II). Apparently some were fitted with what was described as "gray" steering wheels. I wasn't sure about the road wheels, just figured I'd ask. The Turner club feels that the road wheels were only fit to Series 1 Lotus 7 and Turner 803's, but it is hard to believe Rubery Owen would make such a low production special wheel...

Thanks for the input so far!

Ed
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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby Proper Noise » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:04 pm

Expired eBay listing for the temperature gauge:

https://www.ebay.com/p/Morris-Minor-NOS ... 2287436992

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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby ManyMinors » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:04 pm

The steering wheel you've pictured looks like an early Minor one which has been painted? They were not used on a Minor in that colour. Is yours secured by a key on the shaft? The road wheel looks more like an Austin pattern but I wouldn't know which one.
The advert listing for a temperature gauge doesn't show a picture of it but Morris Minors were not supplied with one so it perhaps academic.
I'm sure a few of us would like to see a picture of your car 8)

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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby RobThomas » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:07 pm

Ed. Have you a photo of the front or rear hubs or the dimensions of the wheel PCD?
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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby olderisbetter » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:36 pm

As a young lad i used to play on the Pendeford airport site and there were the fibre glass moulds we used to play on and in and boxes of items in crates left out side, I know the moulds have been saved but i wonder what was in those crates?


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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby olderisbetter » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:25 pm

It may be worth joining http://forum.retro-rides.org/ as often things in peoples spares collections may not be openly for sale till you ask in the wanted section or put a message in the main forums section also quite a few people have old cars on https://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/for ... ew-room.7/ If you ask in the brew room someone might have bits sat about.


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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby kennatt » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:35 am

I had a turner many years ago and it had a 1.5 riley engine fitted didn't have it long it was prized out of my hands by a friend since the reg fitted his name initials .Think he cut it up after the reg transfer :o :o Wish I had it now Also had a Berkeley micro car at the same time, which someone had fitted a mini engine and front subframe to,drove it once and scared the life out of me, totally uncontrollable round corners, sold it to another owner for spare parts,wish I had that one now :(
list of other car I wish I still had.
Bond equip.
saaab 96
morris 8
mga
sunbeam alpine
rover 90
mini cooper s
brabbham viva
escort mexico
and 2 that cost me a fortune to repair /weld up ,and wish I never seen :wink: :x :x
Austin allegro
alfa sud.
That's just a few,there was a time when a friend and I would buy anything from a local scrap yard ,that came in after an mot failure usually on failure with rusted out sills/ chassis,we both had experience in the trade as welders/ coach builders so repairs cost nothing ,repaired them re tested them and turned them round for small :wink: :wink: profit. Long before the new regs reg notifiying sold for breaking as now.
Oh happy days eh.

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Re: Spares for Turner 803 Restoration

Postby elvaracer » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:03 pm

Hi, Ed,

The Morris MM steering wheel you show is also common to the Morris Oxford MO series and the MG Y & YB, MG TD & TF if that is any help. Only the colour is different. The horn assembly is also the same.

I could probably find you one from my large collection of MG Y type parts but it would need refurb and recolouring to suit (not too difficult). Are you also a member of the Fairthorpe Sports Car Club which also caters for Turners and similar marques? If so it might be worth advertising in their monthly newsletter. If you are interested in the wheel I have I will e-mail a picture of it. There is information on the MG Y Type Register website on how to refurbish steering wheels and I could probably find some articles on the subject if you are interested.

Regarding the wheels I have to admit that I always thought the early 850 Turners were fitted with 13" Austin A30 wheels (4" pcd). The Morris Minor used 14" throughout its life as far as I know. I think I have a brochure somewhere & will have a look. The instruments look vaguely familiar and may be off something like an Austin Somerset.

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