Loss of power / surging?

Discuss mechanical problems here.
Forum rules
By using this site, you agree to our rules. Please see: Terms of Use
panky
Minor Legend
Posts: 2009
Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:12 pm
Location: Cheshire
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by panky »

Here's a picture of the lifting pin if you're still struggling to find it.[frame]Image[/frame]
Image
nwxh
Minor Fan
Posts: 303
Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:55 pm
Location: Bath, UK
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by nwxh »

Thanks, but following the advice to lift off the cover (wish I'd thought of that before), I've discovered it's missing. I assume it can't just drop out the bottom and so someone has probably lost it while working on it.

This probably explains why I found the mixture get a lot leaner with high acceleration. As BMC pointed out, it's killing my idle.
katy
Minor Legend
Posts: 1092
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:50 am
Location: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by katy »

Are you sure that the readings are PSI? I see 2 scales on that gauge.
Talk slow, think fast!
bmcecosse
Minor Maniac
Posts: 46561
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:24 pm
Location: ML9
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by bmcecosse »

I did ask that - but even if it is 'Bar' - then ~ 5 Bar only equals ~ 75 psi.......still dreadful.... it should be ~ 10 bar...
ImageImage
Image
nwxh
Minor Fan
Posts: 303
Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:55 pm
Location: Bath, UK
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by nwxh »

Indeed, all I can think of is that what I put into the spark plug sockets was narrower and I should have used the longer adapter. However, all three threads seemed to be the same.

Today I had a terrible ride, made some adjustments, got it slightly better, and then some extra adjustments and it was smoother to the point I ended up driving too quickly because of the smoothness. The exception, is lower revs, which I assume is the lifting pin. Actually I think I'm still running rich at higher revs.
bmcecosse
Minor Maniac
Posts: 46561
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:24 pm
Location: ML9
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by bmcecosse »

You need to plug off the hole....
ImageImage
Image
nwxh
Minor Fan
Posts: 303
Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:55 pm
Location: Bath, UK
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by nwxh »

Will duct tape do? Cheers

New lifting pin (I hope) coming in the post.
bmcecosse
Minor Maniac
Posts: 46561
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:24 pm
Location: ML9
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by bmcecosse »

No...
ImageImage
Image
nwxh
Minor Fan
Posts: 303
Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:55 pm
Location: Bath, UK
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by nwxh »

Probably have to wait for the real part then. Cheers!
bmcecosse
Minor Maniac
Posts: 46561
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:24 pm
Location: ML9
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by bmcecosse »

Matchstick...
ImageImage
Image
nwxh
Minor Fan
Posts: 303
Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:55 pm
Location: Bath, UK
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by nwxh »

Thanks again for the help.

Compression Test
With new tester http://www.amazon.co.uk/Draper-37442-Co ... ion+tester which actually works.

Dry / psi
150 155 150 160

Wet / psi
160 165 160 160

Carb
I rebuilt the carb (perhaps OTT). There is a missing washer in the SU picture (not in the Haynes manual) on the throttle pin, leading to some movement. It turns out the hole for the lifting pin had already been blocked, but it appears by metal! Should I redrill it next time I take it out?

Vacc advance cable was replaced just in case.

Fuel line
This is replaced.

Results
[*]The car is still making a sound at low throttles which I thought was pinking, but it can't be because retarding the engine makes no difference (I just lose power).
[*] I think I'll have to reuse the colourtune as the only way to pull up the piston seems to be pulling out the dashpot plunger....

ps

[*]Had to replace the choke cable as the other one was frayed. This proved awkward to get access to, and took a few hours. Lowlights included having to rewire the headlight/sidelight by trial and error.
[*]Turns out the panel switch has been rewired as an anti-theft device on the ignition. At some point I will rewire it out just in case.
panky
Minor Legend
Posts: 2009
Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:12 pm
Location: Cheshire
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by panky »

If the engine is running very weak this could cause pinking too. Turn the mixture nut anti-clockwise a turn and see if it makes any difference, if not try another turn - you can always screw it back if it doesn't.
Image
nwxh
Minor Fan
Posts: 303
Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:55 pm
Location: Bath, UK
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by nwxh »

Thanks for the suggestion. However, pulling the choke out must have the same affect as at least three turns, right? This made no difference, and I've tried it a few times.

Also hills make no difference to this issue and running up hills at high throttle makes so difference. I can rules out the vacc advance now.

So all I can think of is, engine trouble (but this would show in low compression right?), the loose throttle due to said washer issue (but the sound seems to be coming from further right) or that this is just a sound that the A series always makes which sounds like pinking but isn't.
panky
Minor Legend
Posts: 2009
Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:12 pm
Location: Cheshire
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by panky »

Give the mixture alteration a try, when setting up my new carb I was surprised how many turns I needed to turn the nut out. It was hunting horribly and back-firing until I got drastic with the mixture.
Image
dalebrignall
Minor Legend
Posts: 2528
Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:06 pm
Location: stalbans
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by dalebrignall »

i would say the compression figures are ok , bmc is the man to ask
[sig]5641[/sig]
bmcecosse
Minor Maniac
Posts: 46561
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:24 pm
Location: ML9
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by bmcecosse »

Yes - they are fine. You can lift the piston with a thin blade screwdriver. Keep advancing till you DO get pinking on a hill - and then turn it back v slightly so it's 'not quite' pinking. It's perfect then! Take the car for a good run - switch off and drift to a halt (obviously take care where....a layby would be best) and pop the plugs out to see what colour they are. You're looking for 'beige'...
ImageImage
Image
nwxh
Minor Fan
Posts: 303
Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:55 pm
Location: Bath, UK
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by nwxh »

Thanks!

The flat blade screwdriver goes up by the jet then?

Should I ignore the thing which seems to be "pinking" but isn't? The engine performs better when it's more advanced up to the point it's clearly pinking under load as you suggest.
bmcecosse
Minor Maniac
Posts: 46561
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:24 pm
Location: ML9
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by bmcecosse »

You simply insert the screwdriver at the inlet - obviously the air cleaner has to be temporarily removed... But no matter - the important thing is the running mixture - as shown by the plug colour..
ImageImage
Image
nwxh
Minor Fan
Posts: 303
Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:55 pm
Location: Bath, UK
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by nwxh »

Thanks. Got a 120 mile round trip coming up, so that'll help.

So should I ignore the "fake pinking" sound that occurs no matter how retarded the dizzy is?
bmcecosse
Minor Maniac
Posts: 46561
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:24 pm
Location: ML9
MMOC Member: No

Re: Loss of power / surging?

Post by bmcecosse »

I guess so ! It's pinking under load that causes harm (and therefore has to be avoided) - you sure you're not just hearing timing chain rattle ?? Check the crank pulley - they have been known to 'crack up' and cause odd noises before they finally disintegrate....
ImageImage
Image
Post Reply